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he had her pretty much dead to rights but he didn't go for a kill shot,


We also know that at any time she could activate regen and be pretty much entirely immune to what he does.

Sure, her entrance was a bit lackluster... but she was also lowballing him and not even using some of the jutsu that she used later in the same fight that showed she could've handled him easily.


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[QUOTE=14183915]Originally posted by Kento
[B] The only one who did something a Akatsuki S Class ninja couldn't do.

Look pretty with long legs and do nothing a man could not have done? stick out tongue


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Look pretty with long legs and do nothing a man could not have done? stick out tongue
stick out tongue Have the only win against the all mighty Shikamaru Nara.


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To date she's the only single female character to have won a fight against a dude and legitimately defeat an opponet a full power. She was also able to scratch the almighty 3rd Raikage smile

Then again Kishi has all but cut her out the manga.

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Terumi beat Sasuke. Zetsu had to save his butt.

And Tsunade crushed Naruto with one finger (not remotely a *fair* fight, but still a fight ^^).


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Sasuke just go done getting smacked up by A and dealing with Gaara. I actually believe based on what Sasuke displayed at the Kage summit he would've beaten Mei had he fought her first.

I genuinely forgot about the headflick of dewm Tsunade handed Naruto.

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stick out tongue Have the only win against the all mighty Shikamaru Nara.


Pfft, Shikaku Nara regularly wins against 'the all mighty Shikamaru Nara'.


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To date she's the only single female character to have won a fight against a dude and legitimately defeat an opponet a full power. She was also able to scratch the almighty 3rd Raikage smile

Then again Kishi has all but cut her out the manga.


The implication that Temari is superior to Chiyo is amusing.

Chiyo held off a Kyuubi chakra Naruto and an entire division. Her and Kimmimaro didn't get any of those White Zetsu bastards to help them.


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The implication that Temari is superior to Chiyo is amusing.

Chiyo held off a Kyuubi chakra Naruto and an entire division. Her and Kimmimaro didn't get any of those White Zetsu bastards to help them.


There are a bunch of females more impressive than Temari...still technically almost none of them have won a fight by themselves at least not where the opponent wasn't handicapped.

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Shikamaru had her dead to rights lol.

Also, Karin also counts under those conditions.


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[QUOTE=14184184]Originally posted by AuraAngel
Shikamaru had her dead to rights lol.

Also, Karin also counts under those conditions.
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I was referring to Tayuya.

Since when did Karin win a fight?

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Wow, she has no ass.


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The implication that Temari is superior to Chiyo is amusing.

Chiyo held off a Kyuubi chakra Naruto and an entire division. Her and Kimmimaro didn't get any of those White Zetsu bastards to help them.
They also reformed instantly. Doesn't count.

Yup, Temari's the most impressive woman in the series thus far, as far as 1v1 wins.


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Karui beat up Naruto.

And Chiyo solo'd a castle.


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Didn't happen on-screen, doesn't count.


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Sasuke just go done getting smacked up by A and dealing with Gaara. I actually believe based on what Sasuke displayed at the Kage summit he would've beaten Mei had he fought her first.


Terumi wasn't even trying hard, and Sasuke wasn't too hurt then.


When he only had the ribcage, the Kage could roll him.


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Here's a little essay thingy I wrote for the players in my game. It mentions some specific bits (Chigaya, plant-using clan I've mentioned before. Ball lightning, a jutsu they just ran into and hadn't known existed beforehand), but it's pretty much how I view the spread of jutsu knowledge:


Notes on Jutsu Knowledge Spread

Ok, Ninja A has some super-secret jutsu which is strong but has a weakness, and she uses it in combat, but unbeknownst to her, there's an enemy spy! The spy learns it, lets the knowledge out, and now Ninja A is screwed, right?

Wrong!

You may think that knowledge of jutsu may disperse quickly, and in some cases it does, but often it doesn't, even among allies, and for a couple reasons.

Knowledge of enemy jutsu and it's properties is a very valuable thing, it tells you what to expect and how they might be countered. This is not only why you want it shared, but why you don't want it shared.

If a rival has a vulnerability and you know it but no-one else does, you have an advantage. Your rival is going to be more careful about you, but will continue to use their advantage against your mutual rivals. Winner, you.

The flipside of that point is others will want that knowledge. If all your ninja have it, it won't remain secret for long. You want enough of your ninja who face your rival to know it for it to be useful, but you don't want everyone to know it or ninja who are facing other ninja to know it, because one captured genin and your advantage ceases to be exclusive. It's also a known truism of interrogation that ninja will protect the secrets of their own village stronger than they will secrets of others. Your enemies gain more from targeting you, never a good thing!

You might think the answer is to let the knowledge out to everyone, because surely with it out that hurts your rival, but that's another pitfall. Knowledge of a mutual foe can often be the coin with which alliances are forged. If you have knowledge of your enemy's abilities gained through hard experience, and a third party wants that knowledge and can't get it via easier ways, they're more likely to buddy up to you and offer their own knowledge or aid against said rival in exchange. If the cat gets out of the bag, then you lose out on the information trade, lose out on alliance, your rival no longer has a reason to avoid you- in fact, may desire to target you more in revenge- and the enemy is more likely to adjust their tactics completely to make the info out of date. Furthermore, your main rival has knowledge of you, and your other rivals no longer need information from you. So your main rival can now trade for alliances better than you can, with the other rivals more likely to accept due to not feeling as threatened by them, so ironically letting out too much information can sometimes result in alliances being formed against you. Not to mention, as every ninja knows alliances are often temporary, there will be more reluctance to give you information.

To enhance all of this, ninja villages deploy with these information limitations in mind. A village may make it a policy to not deploy certain clans or jutsu schools against certain foes. The ninja that border each other major village limit their rotation between fronts during peacetime, to limit knowledge gained by the enemy and to maximize their own familiarity. When war breaks out, each side can thus expect to start seeing a bunch of jutsu they're not used to, because the users were all employed against Mist and not Stone or vice-versa, as the knowledge is unlikely to spread that far, and the major villages especially are only likely to let out knowledge if they get something in return, rarely resorting to a general knowledge release. They regularly trade information and such with minor villages- though keeping many secrets to themselves- to get knowledge from other fronts, but the best info is from the other major villages who are more likely to have knowledge of major jutsu that the others really want, and the major villages rarely trust each other enough to trade.

This, by the way, was a major component of the Chigaya's downfall. Danzo held in reserve his jonin, as well as all Yamanaka, so during the final base invasion, the Chigaya, being out of the info loop, had no experience with possession, nor did they expect Kurenai's genjutsu. Had this information lack not existed, their plan would've had a much better chance of working.


Now, there are exceptions- Edo Tensei's existence, for example, got out fast due to just how powerful and frightening it was, and villages sometimes broadcast knowledge of some jutsu for intimidation purposes, like the Kazekage's Iron and Gold Sands (though leaving out details of course),

Lastly, there's thousands and thousands of jutsu. Try and teach everyone everything, and you not only make them walking knowledge bank targets, but you also give them too much to process and not recognize a jutsu on the fly. More experienced and stronger ninja do accumulate knowledge of jutsu as they go from foe to foe, and as they're given new knowledge against a specific foe. Thus, the villages give knowledge to ninja based on what is believed they'll need, rather than the complete available knowledge, or even necessarily knowledge against that specific foe. Also if the knowledge is incomplete, it will often not be spread until a better picture can be drawn, in case it leads to false assumptions. It may seem callus, but it can reduce casualties in some circumstances.


So, good news? Just because some people have seen your jutsu, doesn't mean the knowledge is truly out, it may be limited to the allies of the people you fought, not even them and just their own village, or possibly even just a small chunk of them. Bad news? Just because your allies or even village knows about jutsu, doesn't mean you do. Other Konoha ninja have likely faced ball lightning before, but whether the information was incomplete or because you were only temporarily in the area, the knowledge didn't reach you.


I hope this education on the spread of jutsu knowledge- and by extension the ninja mindset- was helpful!


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Such a fangirl lol.

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Didn't happen on-screen, doesn't count.


The puniness of a manga can't contain that much awesomeness.


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Sakura crushed ZetsuNeji, and one of Pain's giant centipedes.

Hinata killed some Zetsi too.


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Such a fangirl lol.



I do not deny it smile


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