Again, thats why I love Spiderman and Batman the most.
Spiderman: The Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom, Kaine, Vulture, Mysterio etc, all awesome.
However, I personally think that even though Spidey does indeed have the best long list of villains, I'd have to say the best all time villain has to be The Joker.
The Green Goblin comes close, as does Venom, but The Joker is the true super villain. I love it how, like Batman, he has no real super powers, but he's probably the most dangerous psychotic madman ever. Jack Nicholson played him brilliantly and he's the reason why the first Batman movie is the best comic-to-film ever. I also love the way Mark Hamill does his voice in EVERY cartoon version of the Joker yet. He's in Justice League, Static Shock and Batman providing that amazing Joker voice.
I am SO SICK of people thinking higher of "super powered" villains than the Joker.
Put it this way, if The Joker OR Batman had ANY super powers they would be TOO powerful and would both wipe the floor with any super hero or super villain. Think about that next time you yell "OMG joker is such a sUx0rz!!1111!!one!!!!eleven!111!!!"
In terms of writing a character (and not coming down to petty fanboy 13 year old power struggles) The Joker is pure gold (not to say Spideys bunch aren't, they rock too).
OK, it's not a comic but when I read the question I automatically thought of: Xena vs Callisto. I know, I know, it may sound laughable to the set in stone giants such as spiderman, batman etc but hey it still counts and I think Callisto is an awesome villian
or Sherlock and Professor Moriarty
ok forget it lol - I agree that Spiderman/Batman has all the greatest villains (just my opinion though)
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Didn't read Red Superfly, before I wrote and I must agree, the Joker is one of the coolest villans, he's killed the second Robin, Paralyzed Barbra Gordon ( Original Batgirl), and killed the Comisssoners wife, he's even dealt death by nuke before, and Not only is he a maniac, but he's a genius at that, albeit a little misguided. Not even Gobby, who killed Gwen Stacy ( spidey's first true love), made cyborg imposters of the webhead's parents, and due to the curse of the Goblin caused the death of his best friend, harry. can compare to the negative impact Joker has had on Batman's life.
I say Bats Bunch are tops, The 1960's show turn the major 4 Joker, Riddler, Penguin, and Catwoman, into major stars, They even team up in the 1966 movie to fight Batman and Robin. These 4 are tops, No other Villian of Batman's should be rated over these 4, and maybe even Spiderman's villians should be below these 4 too.
Joker is of couse tops. He is the best of all time, He does evil acts, that defie logic, I mean can you relly understand why he try to copy write fish?? Or why he killed his own goons just to prove a point?? Non of it makes sense, and even Batman does not know what Joker was up too even after he "Solve the case" He go back to the Bat Cave, and say something like I put Joker back in Arkham, but I still dont get it???
I think Batman's villians are tops, hands down, Even Bruce Timm said Batman had the best Gallrey in comics.
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Spider-Man has the best enemies, for two reasons :
1. I'm a Spider-Man fan
2. Euhm, are there actually lots of villains he hasn't fought/beat up ? Sure, there probably are a few, here and there, but I think it's pretty safe to assume Spider-Man is one of the heroes who have faced the most villains (and still lives to tell it).
Some of the enemies of Spider-Man :
Lots of Green Goblins and Hobgoblins
Vulture / Shocker / Rhino / Doctor Octopus
Judas Traveler / Trapster / Morlun
Jack O' Lantern / Kraven / Son of Kraven
Looter / Tombstone / Doppleganger / Stegron
Shriek / Venom / Carnage /Juggernaut / Armada
Bullseye / Hydroman / Styx and Stone
Shade / Electro / Sandman / Molten Man
Killer Shrike / Scream / Jackal / Black Tarantula
Chameleon / Silvermane / Scorpion /Rose
Demogoblin / Mister Hyde / Calypso / Digger
Speed Demon / Fusion / Shathra /Typeface
Absorbing Man / Stunner / Mysterio / Punisher
Firelord / Titania /Man Wolf / Morbius /D'Spayre
Puma / Vermin / Will O’the Wisp / Boomerang
Carrion / Kain / Loki / Cardiac / Lobo Brothers
Tarantula / Modular Man / Cyclone / Bloodshed
And of course he fought with almost everybody in Marvel, guys such as :
Silver Surfer / Wolverine / Dr. Doom
Bloodscream / Roughhouse / the X-Men
X-Factor / Grey Hulk or other Hulk / Black Panther
Silver Sable / Sabretooth / Bullseye
Red Skull / Blastaar /Ghostrider
Silver Samurai / Iron Fist / Sub Mariner
All geriatrics ? Hardly. And I have forgotten lots of people. The list is almost endless. And in this list, there are lots of cool names, such as Venom, Carnage, Green Goblin, Sand Man, Kraven, Dock Ock, Morlun, Judas Traveler....
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Batman has the most recognizable villains though. If you approached an average person on the street and showed him/her a list of the 10 most popular villains of Spider-Man (or anyother superhero's) and then a list of Batman's, which one do you think they will know the most?
The thread is "Which hero do you think has the coolest enemies", not "Which hero do you think has the most known enemies".
I agree Batman has some superb enemies (Joker anyone ?), but compared to those of Spider-Man, they are not as cool.
But that's of course only my opinion.
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I have lately gone back to reading some old spider man comics and I realised something. Spider man villans can be some of the stupidest people alive in the comic book world. I mean the number of times that the villans have almost defeated spider man and then done something so stupid that a 10 year old would know not to do, it just pisses me off.
I dont know if this is just spider man (I am gessing it happens in all comic books) but the villans are really annoying me with thier incompetance at following through with thier plans. It always starts of well and near the end they do something stupid that is sometimes out of character. Lately I have been rooting for the villans (lets face it they could use the support), and finding myself annoyed at how the stories end.
One of these days I hove a villan smartens up and just puts a bullet in spider man when he is down instead of taking him back to his place for some chat and elaborate death trap, don't these people ever learn?
Batman.
Mr Freeze,Catwoman and Two-face are the most complex, 3-dimentional villans ever.You don't need superstrenght or be an alien to top the charts!
"Spider-Man has the best enemies, for two reasons :
1. I'm a Spider-Man fan
2. Euhm, are there actually lots of villains he hasn't fought/beat up ? Sure, there probably are a few, here and there, but I think it's pretty safe to assume Spider-Man is one of the heroes who have faced the most villains (and still lives to tell it)."
Just one reason then...
I was refering to regular comics enemies. Not special appearances.
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