As its been already pointed out, I don't think anyone getting killed is anything positive in any way.
Even if 50 cent *cringe* got killed, I don't think there would be anything positive to be said about that. Anyone killing anyone else is not positive, even if the victim's talent is absolutely non-existant, his personality annoying and his ''im a gangsta'' attitude mind numbing.
Figuratively dead maybe (as in, he disappears from his ''hip-pop'' scene and takes his tacky ''Nas, yousa' a window shoppa'' lyrics with him) but certainly not literaly dead.
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Well I'd beg to differ there, but in the case of Proof, I didn't say it was positive. I said it wasn't exactly negative unless you were involved or a fan (for some reason). Hence why now Eminem will make millions of the increased sales of Proof's record and such. He's been dead for a day and already people like HH are putting him above Eminem (who has been utter shit for about 3 albums now) who has one of the best hip hop albums to his name. Proof wouldn't exist without Eminem. He's nothing more than Eminem's on-stage hype man. Any credibility he had, he lost when he chose that route.
It's not like it affects hip hop.
Hardly a loss though is it? Because nobody is losing anything, hip hop isn't losing anything.
I think I was meaning more in humanitarian aspect, rather than strictly hip-hop aspect.
We should feel some remorse because a fellow human being was gunned down in cold blood. Any kind of gun violence is bad, regardless if its used against the talentless rapper or the ultra talented one.
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Second, to me it's not. I never knew the guy, he never did anything to enhance or change MY life (Don't reply with "Well if someone said the same about you..." because I'd say the same thing) and I wouldn't even know he died if it wasn't brought to my attention.
We, as a race, lost one man out of many billions who still live and are being born every however many seconds, a man who never really did much. Even from a humanitarian point of view, it's hardly denting is it?
We are all refreshed and challanged by your point of view, however we do not appreciate it being shoved down our throats 24/7. Sometimes, some of us just dont give a shit what you think.
Proof was killed. -hh- expressed his remorse and you expressed lack of your remorse. Noone would have said anything if you hadn't gone on a rant about how ridiculous YOU think showing remorse for Proof's death is.
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Then don't read my posts. I don't appreciate you coming in here, openly breaking mod rules for your own selfish means and then acting like I'M the one who doesn't deserve to be here in this thread speaking about my beliefs.
I'm not shoving anything down anyone's throat, I'm replying regarding the issue. I'm not forcing anyone to agree with me, I'm questioning people's choices and reactions. Not saying they are wrong to have them. So here's some advice for you, as I have said before:
If you are going to reply to me, stop being such an melodramatic drama queen and take it on the chin. Don't dish what you can't eat. Let that be a lesson learned. You're supposedly a smart girl, don't degenerate yourself even further.
I didn't say it's ridiculous to show remorse. I said I think it's ridiculous that people are going on like we lost a second Ghandi already. All this "Proof was great, this is so sad. A true loss." To who? I've never see anyone with any credible hip hop opinion (that's not you) mention Proof in any serious or positive way till he died.
You say some people don't give a shit what I think, well guess what? KMC discussion board. Welcome. Maybe you should use your over persuasive mod powers to add a new rule: "We can reply to AC but he has to stop when we don't like it."
Seems like it'd suit your hypocritical self just fine.
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I don't see how lil has break the rules of moderatorship. And we DO have to read everyone's posts whether we like it or not. So we can't take the liberty of ignoring or turn a blind eye to someone just because we disagreed. Anywho....I think what's happening here is that the death of D (or whatever the hell his name was) not only affects his fans but also there is some remorse from certain music fans in general.
I personally can't stand Eminem or G Unit. If they were gundown (heavens forbide) for some evil reason. I would get a semi-feeling of remorse for hating their talent.
Besides there is always an unbalance sense of reaction when a hip-hop artist is murderer. When Tupac and Biggie were kill there was hardly any remorse emotion from music fans. Instead, they got "Oh, they were HIP HOP artist, they always use violence in their ganster music.....they had it coming" But when someone like John Lennon got shot it was then consider a "tragedy".
Illegal file sharing isn't condoned nor allowed is it? According to another mod, those rules are quite strict in the Star Wars forums, in accordance with copyright laws.
Her coming in here asking someone to upload an album for her is very much in contradiction of mod rules.
Then don't pay attention. It's really not that hard. Especially since Milla has a habit of getting herself into things and then ignoring you when you happen to counter what she's saying, reasonably or not. It's happened to me before, many others and many people know she does it. I'm not the only one getting more and more frustrated with her hypocricy and ignorance on these boards.
Yes? I said this.
Silly then. If Justin Timberlake died, I'd not feel the slightest bit of remorse. I don't wish death on the man, I don't wish death on but ONE person, but his death wouldn't cause me any unrest. Such as Proof's doesn't.
Maybe because John Lennon was a peaceful man who made great music and didn't go around verbally raping other people and hanging out with LA's most notorious gangs.
You reap what you sow. Lay down with stray dogs and you may get fleas etc. Eminem and his crew made a living off going around and attacking people with words, this means that there are a lot of pissed off people out there. Now that Eminem is an extremely rich entertainer, he's "reaching for peace." Of course he is. It's no good being the richest guy in the graveyard.
If you don't want people to try and kill you, it's not hard to avoid it. I can't remember the last time MF Doom, Slug, Eyedea, Immortal Technique, Cannibal Ox etc got death threats, or had masses of people wanting to kill them.
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Uh...YES! anyone is welcome to pay attention. So because there is nothing more to say you consider yourself Ignore???? Some complex you have AC. I have experience tons of discussions with lil and many times we come to disagreements. So because we disagree that is going to create fustration??? take a chill pill.
That's fine those are you emotions but the fact you're giving attention to the man does say something that you do care. Otherwise this convo wouldn't be taking place.
So John's and Tupac's music are different. There STILL was an unbalance reaction.
Let me get this straight..."you reap what you sow" so would you use that same mentality with video game designers like Rockstar? They make violent video games...does that mean they're reaping what they sow? I don't think so AC. Any artist can claim to be the biggest gangsters in the world. In the end we all know that they're just music artists. Nothing more..nothing less. Some nutjob goes out there and kills them is still a tragedy. You cannot deny that!
It's not a matter of having nothing more to say though, not in Milla's case. I've been in many debates in which I've countered her and she's made up some horsecrap excuse not to reply to the post, in which, I coincidentally proved her wrong. She dodges posts all the time, then continues either replying to others who are saying things in a manner that is to her liking, or cheerleads anyone who replies to me, purely because she cannot do it alone.
If you want to discuss something with me, do it. I don't care if you disagree, but at least be man (or woman) enough to admit when you've been countered instead of turning on the silent treatment. It's pathetic.
I'm giving attention to the discussion of the situation. Not too sure from where you deduced that I care because I chose to discuss it. I just chose to discuss it because people were replying in a way that interested me.
Not sure how or why this is relevant, but go on.
I can deny it. It's not a tragedy if I don't consider it one, TO ME. If you wanna consider it one, knock yourself out. It's a tragedy to his friends, his family, maybe his fans. I'm none of the previous.
Totally different situation. They are using a fake and harmless medium to express a situation in video games. They're not out there saying "It is ok to do this" or "I do this, and I speak about it as a positive." It's not real, it's a game.
Music isn't a game, it's real. Granted, in ANY medium there will be an idiot who decides to take things too far, but we're not talking about fan reaction as much here. We're talking about the lifestyle these people lead and what it can lead to. IE: F*cking around in a gang or with gangs will get you into trouble and when that trouble comes, you either brought it on yourself or did nothing to stop it.
D12 choose to go around saying things about people they perhaps shouldn't, provoking people, saying things in their songs about how they will shoot you and how if anybody "wants it" with them, they just need to start it and they'll end up in a body bag and shit. Big surprise when one of them gets shot. Hence why Eminem was trying to say "Stop all this." He knows he got his friends into shit that possible could get them killed, and it did. Too little, too late.
"Just bring who you gon' bring on.
Who you gon' swing on?
I'm King Kong, guns blow you to kingdom come.
Show you machine gun funk.
Sixteen M-16's and one pump.
The snub in my paw, shove it in your jaw.
Have you runnin out this f*ckin' club in your drawers.
We lovin' the broads, there's nothin' to applaud.
But f*ck, it it's all good, the hood is up in The Source.
It's fight music."
Proof's verse from Fight Music by D12.
Five gun references in that small verse. How ironic, the man got shot dead.
"Aiyyo flashback, two feets, two deep up in that ass crack.
Weed laced with somethin', n*gga pass that.
In Amsterdam we only hang out with hash rats.
At a 'Stop the Violence' rally, I blast gats.
Be your mom on publishin', get your ASCAP-ped.
The Kuniva, divide up your cash stack.
Run your motherf*ckin' pockets, ASAP.
I don't need a platinum chain, b*tch I snatch Shaq's.
Born loser, half thief and half black.
Bring your boys and your guns and get laughed at.
B*tch smacker, rich rappers get they Jag jacked and found chopped up in a trash bag."
Proof's verse on Under the Influence by Eminem.
Yeah, such a peaceful, non-violent MC who brought none of it on himself.
For the future referance, please understand that my choice of not replying to your posts reflects my opinion of you.
I do not care, haven't the time or will to argue with you. I have already told you, I do not appreciate your opinion down my throat - and for the most part I do not think anyone cares about what you have to say, hence noone bothering.
This, obviously does not reflect that you are ''right'' just that noone gives a damn.
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