* by the way, how many times you see Logan fighting out of anger than out of skill?
* nope, Cyke is not that stupid... but seeing as it is, fighting WITH powers favors Cyke more than Logan... and it is Logan's stupidity to take on Cyke WITH powers...
* you project Wolverine as Matt Murdock, go take a nap...
* Wolverine is also not Onslaught...
* no need... Cyke's good at the Danger Room, he probably killed million Wolverines by now...
who said he needed to be? Wolverine abilites have been stated in a cannon sourse allowing him to through his senses see bullets and such in slow motion. He has heard and sense peoples attacks before they have made them it quite frankly does not matter if he DD he has not need to be DD.
Outside of the novels, has Wolverine ever been shown to be able to sense the vibrations of his opponent mid-fight and predict the next move? I mean, has it been clearly shown? Scans?
he sense scot blast, he sensesed the living lighting, he sense gun fire, gun fire was shown in slow motion to him and so on how ever there no need for it in this thread and this is my last post since it been made pritty clear who wins.
if you want scanns and such look at the wolverine respected thread or pm me
Another No-Prize go. Just in the same fashion that I explained Cap's shield absorption properties, Wolverine's healing powers, Iceman's powers, etc... I shall explain why Cyclops can miss.
-Steps up onto the soapbox-
#1101, I thought what you thought, a long time ago. Then I had a second thought. I shall tell you what that second thought is. Has Cyclops ever fired a beam from his visor that bended or came out slanted? I'm serious. Picture it. If Cyclops' head faces forward and his eyes looked to the left without his head moving, would his beam shoot out to the left in the direction his eyes were looking? No, it wouldn't. The visor limits and directs his beam. It only shoots forward or spreads out evenly from the visor's line of sight.
THEREFORE, Cyclops has to move his head to adjust the VISOR'S line of sight for normal shots, NOT just his eyes. He can't simply move his eyes around, he also has to move his head. Now you can easily see why he can miss and miss so spectacularly. If you still don't understand, let me illustrate: Picture me holding a camcorder directly in front of my face pointed at you. I'm trying to film you and keep you in the camera's line of sight at all times. You feint to the left and duck back to the right. If I am three feet away from you, I will be hard pressed to focus my camera's line of vision to keep you in the picture. In fact, it would be several times easier if I were much further away from you because you would have to move much faster and much farther to avoid my line of vision, which is expanded proportionally.
Now, does everyone understand why that comic happened the way it did? Good. Someone give me my No-Prize.
Wolverine and Cyclops 5/10. If you want me to give a more detailed argument as to how Wolverine can notch wins, I'll do so. But most of the naysayers here are just Wolvie fanboy thrashers and don't seem interested. The way my scans were so quickly, casually and callously disregarded was astonishing. This is the type of ignorance that I'm beginning to despise in these forums.
That is quite obviously the artist's rendition of the path that Cyclops' head took when he was knocked away. The artist illustrates it by drawing trace lines from his visor. If you've ever been to a club or seen those stupid iPod commercials, picture a glowstick tracing lines in the darkness. That is what is going on in that panel. It is not the path his beams took from point a to point b, it is a mere trace line. It's quite obvious that Cyclops got thrown/knocked away because of his "Hunn" grunt. Even the bubble has squiggly lines indicating he's in pain. It's a very effective art decision because then you don't have to fill the panel with speed lines. This all should have been quite obvious from that panel. Happy?
If the rest of you didn't know that's how Cyclops' beams worked, no wonder you people thought he could never miss. Tsk tsk. Learning is a great thing.
Yea, I know what was happening in the comic. I merely posted it because I was not sure of what you were saying earlier. I posted that in response, not sure if that's what you were referring to. I definitely understood what was happening though.
And I also know very well how Cyclops' beams work. You're not talking to some dumb child here. I've been an X-Men fan for many years now, and big fan of Cyclops as well. I know what he can do. So please, stop this "high and mighty" rant you've got going on here. It won't end well.
* yes, you're right, Cyke needs to move his head in order to hit a target in accordance with the limited line of sight of the visor... however, all you need to know is the stipulations of this match... there are no other people for Cyke to hold back, and Cyke can continuously fire blasts while trying to catch Logan in his sight... and that will take a second or so? in the end, Cyke still wins though...
QUOTE=7698170]Originally posted by peejayd
* the question is, what's more durable? adamantium or Onslaught's armor?
* and correct if i'm wrong, in the current Civil War storyline, it has been stated or revealed that Cyke only uses a fraction of his full power... i doubt Logan can withstand that...
* i really think optic blasts are capable of pulverizing adamantium... any thoughts on that? [/B][/QUOTE]
Sure.
I don't think anyone can really say for sure what is more durable out of adamantium and Onslaught's armour. It's one of those things that hasn't been, and is likely never to be quantified. But seeing as Thor has trouble in denting true adamantium, and i have always thought he can hit harder with Mjolnir than Cyke can with his blasts, that is why i have my personal doubts as to whether or not Scotty could "pulverise" adamantium. And let's not forget that Thor (with Mjolnir) managed to rip through Onslaught's armour too.....something he couldn't do to....i dunno say, Ultron's armour.
Now don't get me wrong. This doesn't mean i think Scott would lose to Logan. Far from it. But until i actually SEE him pulverise adamantium in a comic (as opposed to reading the monologue), i won't personally feel he can do it. I mean, in his own mini-series, it was stated that Cyke had enough power to split a small planet.......hmmm....as much as i would like to believe that, i don't think he has THAT much power....
Anyway, each to their own. I think we both agree that in this fight Cyclops takes the win.
Cyclops could also alter the terrain so that it would be more difficult for Wolverine to reach him (blowing holes all around himself as an example) Wolverine is dead in this match against Scott.
Cyclops tried and failed in 'Origins.' Yes, Cyclops could do that in a second, but being able to and succeeding in doing so are two different things as obviously shown in the panel. If you still don't understand what I just did, your argument is, Cyclops can hit Wolverine, therefore he does and therefore he wins. I can simply say, Wolverine can dodge Cyclops' blasts, therefore he does and therefore he wins. I don't believe you meant that to be the totality of your argument, but it needs to be a little bit more polished. Like, you need to convince me that Cyclops can easily keep his visor's line of sight on Wolverine and therefore easily hits him and wins. But to do that, you'd need to rebut my illustration of how difficult doing that actually is.
BTW, Cyclops penetrated Onslaught's armor after a crack had already appeared. I personally don't believe he can destroy adamantium.
BTW, Metalmanx. I agree with you half the time in these KMC threads. But I don't really care if you don't like the tone of my posts. As far as I'm concerned, your link with the question mark was one of two things: 1) Bait for me to not understand it. I would then believe it directly contradicted my theory, and feel foolish, even though you purportedly knew it didn't; or 2) An actual genuine attempt by you to debunk my theory, which was disproven and you defended yourself by saying you knew all along.
According to you, it was the former, because you knew it didn't contradict my theory before asking my explanation. And I simply do not appreciate that in the least. I actually would respect the latter. It's quite simply put, you tried to bait me into a trap and I threw it back in your face. Don't get indignant about it. F()ck with the bull and you get the horns.
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