Never said he couldn't. But I still maintain Vader could do the same in certain circumstances. Doom happens to be one of my favorite villains, but I still do not consider him on par with cosmic beings unless he cheats lol.
Cheats? There's no such thing as cheating in a fight, unless it's an official bout where rules apply. It's not cheating when a character uses all their resources, intellect, and skill to get the job done. That's exactly what Doom does, he looks at his situation, figures out a way to deal with it, and does it, plain and simple. He's not gonna go into a fight with fist swinging, he's no fool. He's gonna set up his plans the best way he can so he can just about guarantee himself a victory.
Cheating, BAH!! It's not Doom's fault his so called competition can't keep up.
That's Doom using everything within his ability to get the job done. He's not some knight or shaolin monk or samurai, and most battles aren't honorable bouts, unless they're challenged into such. Doom knew what he needed to do to have the advantage, and he did it. Not cheating, it's getting the job done. It's like most fights. If you're like 5' 7" 160 pounds, and you have to deal with someone who's 6' 3" 210, and a boxer or possibly a kickboxer, unless you're a more skilled fighter than that person then you'd be stupid to fight him head-to-head. You can fight him head up, but if you wanna walk out of there unassisted, you grab a chair or stool and crack him over the head with it. Okay, kind've a bad, and violent, example, but it's kind've what Doom does with more powerful foes. You do what you need to do to get the job done. Like in the wild, for another example. Hyenas catch a meal, and lions come along and steal it. Sure, they can try to catch their own food, which isn't always successful for either animal, but they and their pride will survive another day. Survival of the fittest, either you have what it takes to get it done, or you don't. That's the way I see it anyways.
No, it's different. Doom attacks others by stealing their power. I doubt Galactus challenged Doom saying 'I bet I can beat you in a fight, do whatever you have to do.' When Doom goes after people with an intent to steal powers to win, that's cheating. It's not really 'survival of the fittest' *which I believe in but 99% of people do not*, it's 'I can't beat you so I'm going to use your powers against you, which proves that you can beat you.' lol
Well, he beats others by stealing others powers, in which he usually starts with his own abilities. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but he went against SS, stole his power, then went to Galactus, stole his power with help from SS's, then went to Beyonder, withstood being disected, and stole his power with Galactus's. He went through a lot of shit to do all that. So in my opinion, he pretty much earned those victories, he went through lots of planning and preparing to accomplish what he did. In no way did he cheat, that's just my opinion though.
(not knocking your opinion, if it happens to seem that way)
How did he steal Silver Surfer's power anyway? And beyond that, how did he steal Galactus' power even with Surfer's powers? Surfer was never a match for Galactus. And what did Galactus do when this happened?
he didnt use surfers power to steal galactus...they were on 2 different occasions...and there were two occasions where he beat Galactus, he didnt really steal his power either actually...in secret wars, when alactus knew e couldnt beat the beyonder, but he was going to try...he teleported his ship that is bigger than a planet, to beyonder's battle world. he planned on devouring his ship, battle world, and then the sun...when he was devouring his ship planet, Doom constructed a massive device from the body of Klaw, the master of sound...the plates of solid sound absorbed all the power of Galactus' ship and put it all into Doom...he also negated Galactus' power in heroes reborn with the help of the heroes
Paola, Surfer seems to be brought up in every vs. thread because there are too many people who think he's the ultimate hero. He's highly over-rated, but whatever. Anyway, as for Galactus, why wouldn't he be able to beat the Beyonder? I don't know anything about him beyond his cross-overs into the Spider-Man comics, but I would think Galactus would be the superior entity.
Phyaical characteristics: The Beyonder originally had no true physical form such as those known to humanity. However, the body that he created for himself and that he used on Earth for most of his existence there had the following characteristic:
Height: 6 ft. 2 in.
Weight: 240 lbs.
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Black
Strength Level: The Beyonder's strength in the human form described under Physical Characteristics was potentially unlimited.
Known Superhuman Powers: The Beyonder was apparently the most powerful being ever to exist in this universe (although he was not native to this universe), and hence could do virtually anything, The Beyonder could manipulate incalculable amounts of energy and create and rearrange matter on a planetary scale. He proved capable of obliterating an entire galaxy.
Height: 28 ft. 9 in.
Weight: 18.2 tons
Eyes: Unknown
Hair: Unknown
Unusual features: Galactus's height diminishes by as much as 10.9 feet when he is greatly in need of life-giving energy.
Although Galactus is usually represented in humanoid form, each sentient being perceives him having a form resembling his own. Hence, humanoids see Galactus in humanoid form, while a Skrull, for example, would perceive Galactus as resembling a Skrull. Although as Galan, Galactus was indeed a humanoid; his true current form is unknown. It is unclear why beings from different sentient races perceive him differently.
Strength Level: At full power, Galactus possesses Class 100 strength, enabling him to lift well over 100 tons, and he can use his vast power to increase his strength immeasurably beyond that. However, Galactus invariably relies on his energy powers in combat rather than his physical strength.
Known Superhuman Powers: Galactus possesses cosmic power beyond the abilities of human beings to measure. Galactus is able to use the vast energies within him for an incalculable number of effects. Some of his most rudimentary abilities are the molecular restructuring or conversion of matter, the projection of energy with enormous concussive force, the teleportation of objects across space or even time, and the erection of invincible energy-screens and force fields. Even his heralds, whom he has endowed with a small fraction of his ever-renewing power, are able to manipulate matter and energy in ways far beyond human comprehension.
Galactus wears a full-body suit of armor constructed from an unknown extraterrestrial metal that permits him to regulate and control his personal energy. If he were to remove the armor, the vast cosmic energies that empower him would run rampant, with the potential to turn him into a small sun.
Galactus requires unknown energies obtainable only from a certain type of planet in order to sustain his life. The suitable type of planet need not be one where life is present, but it must have the potential to support life. Although he is able to extract and absorb this energy himself, he generally employs a complicated array of equipment to perform the conversion process for him. The equipment is not only more efficient than he is, but also enables him to avoid the needless expenditure of energy involved in the process. Sometimes Galactus drains the energies he needs from a planet while still leaving it barely habitable. Other times he destroys all life and water on the planet in the process, leaving its surface devastated and barren. Most often his feeding process destroys the planet, reducing it to space rubble. When Galactus was newly born in his current form, the energy of a medium-size Earth-like planet was enough to sustain him for over a century (using Earthly measurements of time). Now, for unknown reasons, he needs to feed about once a month. His body totally converts the energy he absorbs for its life functions and bodily activities without any waste products.
Galactus is telepathic, able to scan the thoughts of any mind he has yet encountered, no matter how alien or advanced it was.
Weapons: Galactus often employs a robot called the Punisher, which possesses great superhumanoid strength, to battle adversaries whose power levels do not rival his own.
Transportation: Although Galactus is capable of space travel via his own power, he disdains the needless expenditure of power and prefers to travel in starships of his own design.
Yeah good one. Doctor Doom, Dark Father, Lucas was ONLY inspired by LOOKS; he came up with Darth Vader without taking anything from Doom's title. He could've come up with something else; for instance, the Lord of the Rings villain "Sauron". Yet he didn't.
Okay...
I WASN'T just talking about LOOKS. Doom wears his mask because of an accident; Vader wears it for nearly the SAME reason. Just because you have mask and armor doesn't mean it HAS to be to cover up a disfiguration - yet it did for Vader. Under the armor & mask lies disfigurement, painful testimonies of a dark past, which BOTH have - IT'S NOT JUST LOOKS. And both take vengeance on their enemies for this reason from the past.
Okay...
Not redeemable? He only SAVED his mother (who was a witch) from Mephisto's grip by making her hate him thus cleansed her soul and saved her.
Vader turned to the dark side & immersed himself in the powers & position it offered him. And I said universal domination ON BEHALF OF THE EMPIRE...which includes the Emperor. Doom is about power & conquest as well.
A megalomaniac in armor & mask to hide a disfiguration because of dark past, speaking in deep tone, bent on vengeance upon his enemies, trying to bring a new order to the galaxy - gee your right Vader isn't a ripoff of Doom.
Okay...but that still doesn't answer the fact that Doom's troops resemble him and Vader's stormtrooper resembles him.
I agree, Vader isn't a rip-off of Doom. He's just Dr. Doom WANNABE!
Last edited by Beyonder on Sep 27th, 2004 at 10:28 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Beyonder
[B]Yeah good one. Doctor Doom, Dark Father, Lucas was ONLY inspired by LOOKS; he came up with Darth Vader without taking anything from Doom's title. He could've come up with something else; for instance, the Lord of the Rings villain "Sauron". Yet he didn't.
Again, you really do not know what you are talking about, Vader's title has nothing whatsoever to do with Doctor Doom. Dark Father and Doctor Doom are not related names. And why does no-one argue that the Marvel Sauron came from Tolkien's Sauron? Because people are usually aware that simply because there is a similarity in names *even though there is none between Vader and Doom* that doesn't mean one is a copy of another.
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Sep 25th, 2004 04:15 AM
He's just Dr. Doom WANNABE! 
