Nothing happens for a reason, for that implies that a God/Creator is behind everything with a purpose in mind - there's no sense in that. Everything happens without any reason, purely based on one event following another in endless continuity. There will only be a reason behind everything if there's a God. But why would a God create if he already knows what the future is?
ahh... you have reach a point where I need to agree with... last year I came to this conclusion too... that everything happens for a reason...then I realised that it has been written by some buddist... but then I started to realise that there are some flaw in this proverb that could make it not exist at all... to make it short.. this proverb is wrong... Everything don't happen for a reason and the reason that I say this is that, in a hierarchy graph, everything has a finishing line... just like a tree branch... look at the people that dies in an early age, or before they grown up to an/a old man/woman...what is fair for them?? There is no possibility that could make it fair for them that could make a good reason for them to die... If one argues that we can learn from them dying like that... then I say that they are totally wrong....
I think the Chicken would come first,... because if the egg came first how would the embryo fend for its survival and nurture itself.. I figure the adult would be able to take care of itself and eventually spawn other chickens (which makes this topic a bit weird, since you'd need a male to create a fertile egg o_O.. but then that would make the topic.. 2 chickens or 2 eggs.. heh..)
You people are beating around in circles, just look at my earlier post:Animal reproduction takes place via Viviparous, Oviparous or Ovoviviparous methods. Viviparous refers to embryo development internal to the parent body, excluding the laying of an egg. Oviparous means the laying of an egg where the embryo develops entirely or virtually entirely inside the egg and not in the parent body. Ovoviviparous is the means of reproduction via egg development and hatching inside the parent body.
The givens concerning origin of egg and animal are the following: An egg can only come from an egg-producing animal; thus, there must first be an animal allowing the existence of eggs at all. An animal, on the other hand, can come from either another animal or from an egg produced by an animal.
Based on this, we have now arrived at a logically exhaustive premise. In short: without an animal their can be no egg, but without an egg their can be an animal.
Thus, the issue concerning the primary origin a propos egg and animal is resolved and we must logically conclude that animal comes before egg.
Turning our focus now to the chicken and egg question, first of all it is not only an unnecessary question, but also an irrational question. Evolution of species essentially takes place through mutations being either fit or unfit in relation to their environmental condition. The two possible origins of the chicken are: a chicken born from a non-chicken species through the viviparous method (this mutated form of the non-chicken species is egg laying), and a chicken hatched from an egg produced by a non-chicken species, where the chicken is again a mutated form (egg laying) of its non-chicken predecessor. So the real question should rather be: by which method did the chicken ancestor give birth to the chicken. The only two possible origins are those mentioned above. Simply put, the chicken ancestor was before the chicken; and the real matter of importance is that the ANIMAL came BEFORE the EGG.
This is the most logical explanation and if you understand this, the problem is solved!
I WILL NOW ABANDONE THIS THREAD, AS I DON'T SEE IT GOING ANYWHERE - I THOUGHT THAT SOMEONE WOULD'VE SEEN THE LIGHT IN MY POST - SO MUCH FOR INTELLIGENT COMPANY.....
You all know that there is niot an answer to this? Its just a buddhist think experiment, it should start some thinking. Its not a real philosophical question. Neither is the tree for that matter. We can never know the answer, at least not in the questionas it was intended.
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one should not let out the possibility that some other organisms might make the egg hatch, and few others, which could continue the process. This should answers the question about dinasaur egg comes first, since there is a possibility that eggs might be created from essense, or whatever you call it....
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Jan 10th, 2005 03:39 PM
, but where did the egg come from? or did you already explain that and i just didnt get it??
