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Phat J
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i dont believe in god, theres no proof he exists and there's plenty against it, i know i sound like a cliche, but if there was a god and he cared for good and bad, he wouldnt let so much horrible shit happen around the world


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Because stupid, immagine what would happen if you showed people full frotal you exsist.

Help me God!
No me!
ME!


So you're endlessly wasting your time helping all these needy bitches, who show no gratitude cause they think sense you're God, you're onimpentant and it's no trouble at all, and as the demands countinue to grow they grow sickingly more attitude with you because you're not helping this person immideatly but instead someone else, and asking why are you choosing them over they and then Holy Wars break out over it because they convince themselves it has something to do with thier racial heritage or whatever, and before you know it you're just so pissed off at hummanity's stupid you say **** you! and stop answering the phone calls..

THAT's why God doesn't show Himself to you. Hell, look at how needy you people are of the American goverment. Fricking Earth whipes out an entire city and you whine and moan about how it took them three days to get R dun, you're lucky they came at all you spoiled brats..


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Originally posted by Darth Revan
Well, I disagree, obviously.


And you have that right to disagree. "Choice" is another gift given to us by God.

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It's still shitty, because if the people he kills are actually evil, they'll go to hell. Don't even try to tell me "that's not for me to say". Evil people go to hell, according to the Bible.


The point is that we are all inherently evil and deserve to go to hell. Only through the belief in Christ as are savior do we become "righteous."


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Personally I don't mind living so much, but whatever floats your boat.


The only reason why you/others don't mind living is because God is still present in this world filled with evil. The "love" that is present in life, including the "love" which is deep within ourselves...comes from him, for as it is written.."God is love."

A world indoctrinated with blasphemies such as "survival of the fittest" and "whatever floats your boat" would come to an abrupt end without "love." This is the type of world we are gradually approaching my friend.


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Well, BackFire is right, but even if you don't consider the murder of innocent people (like all Egyptian first born children, who didn't do shit to Moses) immoral, god does command rape and looting in the Bible. Several times.

Numbers 31:17-18:
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Or, depending on which version of the Bible you're reading, it might go something like this:

17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

("lying with" is Bible lingo for "having sex with")

You can also look up Deutoronomy 20:13-14 and Deutoronomy 2:31-35, but if I post two versions of both of them this post will be even more hideously long than it already is.



It is written..

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Luke 20:08

Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things



It is also written...

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Naked I came into the womb and Naked I will depart. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away.


As I have stated before..I will state again.


The one who has given all life is the only one who has the right to take it away.



As far as the rape issue goes..You've given a half truth..and decided to mold the rest in a fashion that will fit your argument, or perhaps you just didn't understand the history behind the scripture. Either way..let me give the complete story.

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Deuteronomy 20:10-14

When you go to war against your enemies an the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, If you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her her nails and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. "If you are not pleased with her, let her go whereever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonered her.


Explanation:

During the Old Testament. God did allow the children of Israel to take wives from neighboring cultures after defeating them in battle. These neighboring cultures were close relatives of the Israelites, and at one time had worshipped the one true God.

As punishment for knowing God's truth, yet still worshipping idols..all the men of these nations were killed by the Israelites, as were all the defiled(non-virgin) women, and their valuables were taken away.

The children and the undefiled women were allowed to live, however, as punishment for the sins of worshipping other Gods..they became slaves.

The Israelite men were allowed to take a slave woman as a wife, after following the ritual mentioned in the above scripture. (Shaving her head, clipping her nails, etc..) I imagine this ritual was done for the purpose of punishment, as well as for determining the man's overall commitment to making the woman his wife....but that is just my interpretation..so don't take it as fact.

It was then stated by Moses that if the women would not "please" the man..(meaning give herself to him "freely" in sexual intercourse after becoming his wife). Then he would have to "freely" let her go, meaning he could not sell her or treat her as a slave. At no time does the scripture mention that the men should force the women to have sexual intercourse.

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I don't know why you assume that I DO submit my will to earthly authorities. I'm skeptical of everyone in authority, not just gods...


Your opinion isn't your own..it was given to you by the authority that you submit yourself to...

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If I MUST reword my original statement: the reason people hate Christians is because of people like you, who tell them they're going to be punished for their beliefs.


You might hate what I say..but its the Truth. Choose to use it how you wish. But remember that at some point, all of us will be judged on whether or not we did/did not accept it.


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All humans are to an extent evil, the question you should be asking is "are some people born good" and in that case no, but through strong will and dedication somone may become selfless and good atleast by our standards.

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No ppl have free will they can decide that. Theres no excuse for lack o willpower to decide what is good for you.


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No ppl have free will they can decide that. Theres no excuse for lack o willpower to decide what is good for you.


If you dont have strong willpower you will revert to our natural instincts which by our standards are "evil".

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OK, frankly, I'm getting sick of the whole quote-retort-quote-retort battle, and obviously it's futile for both sides. I will ask one thing though—why are you so insistant that I only believe what authorities tell me? And why do you act as if you DON'T?


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Originally posted by Darth Revan
OK, frankly, I'm getting sick of the whole quote-retort-quote-retort battle, and obviously it's futile for both sides. I will ask one thing though—why are you so insistant that I only believe what authorities tell me? And why do you act as if you DON'T?


Get the hell out of here star wars...lol jk dont use the force on me. Happy Dance Happy Dance Happy Dance

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Originally posted by Darth Revan
OK, frankly, I'm getting sick of the whole quote-retort-quote-retort battle, and obviously it's futile for both sides. I will ask one thing though—why are you so insistant that I only believe what authorities tell me? And why do you act as if you DON'T?


Both of us make choices. The choices we make are based on the authorities we submit ourselves to. You submit yourself to an authority which does not believe in the deity of Christ, I submit myself to one that does. Either way, both of our opinions are given to us by the authorities we submit ourselves to.


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Both of us make choices. The choices we make are based on the authorities we submit ourselves to. You submit yourself to an authority which does not believe in the deity of Christ, I submit myself to one that does. Either way, both of our opinions are given to us by the authorities we submit ourselves to.


Why do we have to submit to authority?

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The one who has given all life is the only one who has the right to take it away.


So in other words, your God is a hypocrite, but that's okay, because he's god.

^^ This is the funamental flaw in the mentality of so many religious people. If man does something, it's wrong, evil and a hellworthy offense (I.E. Kill people), but oh wait, if God does it, it's okay, he did it out of love and affection for those he killed. Yeah, Hitler kills a bunch of jews, he's called evil (and rightfully so), but God kills a bunch of kids because their parents screwed up, and he did it out of love. Hypocracy at it's best/worst.

But, of course, believe what you will, but surely if you step back and look at it from a different point of view, you can understand why so many people reject such thinking.


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Exactly, the close mindedness of such thinking is staggering.

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So in other words, your God is a hypocrite, but that's okay, because he's god.

^^ This is the funamental flaw in the mentality of so many religious people. If man does something, it's wrong, evil and a hellworthy offense (I.E. Kill people), but oh wait, if God does it, it's okay, he did it out of love and affection for those he killed. Yeah, Hitler kills a bunch of jews, he's called evil (and rightfully so), but God kills a bunch of kids because their parents screwed up, and he did it out of love. Hypocracy at it's best/worst.

But, of course, believe what you will, but surely if you step back and look at it from a different point of view, you can understand why so many people reject such thinking.



Answer a few questions for me Backfire...

Did you create life and the rules that govern it?

Do you understand all of life's mysteries?

What authority enables you to determine which actions are "good" and which actions are "evil?"


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One could ask the same questions of the human men who wrote The Bible...


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And the same could go for ^ for making a thread about IQ differences with men and women...

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And the same could go for ^ for making a thread about IQ differences with men and women...
laughing Are you still mad about that? I already posted I don't agree with Professor Lynn. I take ityou don't agree with him either...


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And the same could go for ^ for making a thread about IQ differences with men and women...

Well on the other hand there are also studioes that say women are smarter.........so who knows...although...I'd say it's men stick out tongue


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Evil..^..and Germans who want to build A.I's to take over the world...

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Answer a few questions for me Backfire...

Did you create life and the rules that govern it?

Do you understand all of life's mysteries?

What authority enables you to determine which actions are "good" and which actions are "evil?"



1. No

2. No

3. Common Sense.


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Both of us make choices. The choices we make are based on the authorities we submit ourselves to. You submit yourself to an authority which does not believe in the deity of Christ, I submit myself to one that does. Either way, both of our opinions are given to us by the authorities we submit ourselves to.


I still don't understand your thinking. What do you mean when you say "authority"? confused


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