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Here comes the man-spider 2: the reasons on a new betrayal(spoilers)
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Red Superfly
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OK, I think we all understand that, but could you at least NOT call it man-spider?

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Why not? in those movies, there arent any spiderman, only man spider. Those movies are about a freak with organics, because of that, those movies are about man spider, nothing to do with the spiderman that we all know.


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Have you even seen the REAL Manspider movie? It really kicked ass, and when you see that, you will understand what a FULL spider mutation really is. Giving Spiderman organics is NOTHING compared to what this guy got.


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Well damn, that's just stupid. They should've at least tried.

I don't care enough about anything besides the comic books themselves to really care though. Sometimes(ok, lots of times) I'm in the mood to argue though, and that's usually why I'll debate someone.


Exactly Arachnoidfreak.I thought for sure it had to be some kind of false rumor,that surely they would not be stupid enough to make a movie like that? roll eyes (sarcastic) whats next superman with a jetpack? roll eyes (sarcastic) I wouldnt put anything past hollywood now after that.The organics would probably never have been in the movie in the first place if not for James Cameron,he was the original script writer and suppose to originally to direct the movie and it was his lame brain idea to have the organics in the movie.if you ever read Camerons script for the movie,you would see that guy has no knowledge of spiderman whatsoever,they took out most of what he had in his scrennplay because it was just plain horrible and an even worse script that david koepps.that should have been a clue to sony that the organics were a horrible idea. roll eyes (sarcastic) the only reason they left the organics in is because james cameron is a well respected director in hollywood and since it was his lame brain idea,they decided to keep it.may those sony executives burn in hell for that. mad

superfly that IS the character on the screen,MANSPIDER because he is a damn monster.just because sony tells you a spiderman movie has been made,I think thats pretty ignorant to believe that.the real spiderman if you want to see him onscreen,watch the 90's cartoon,now THATS spider-man. roll eyes (sarcastic) and yes Arachnoidfreak,we have seen the real manspider,the 8 eyed 8 legged furry monster from the 90's cartoon but THAT was alos manspider on the screen because he is a damn monster also because he has STILL mutated.


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Yes, well said mr parker. To give spiderman organics is so stupid as give superman a jet pack. Some time ago, i did a poll in some site called superheroype in a superman forum, and all superman fans hated the idea to give supes a jetpack instead the power of fly. That is just the same that the organics thing and what the spiderman fans feel about it.

In other way, i want to express my satisfaction for could express my opinion about the movie in those forums with total freedom of speech. Not as some nazi site called "superherohype" where the moderators are nazis and fascists and dont let the free speech and the critizims agasint the man spider movies. If you post something bad about the movies, you are banned. They must be paid for sonny to promote the movie or something, because they dont let the bad reviews against the movies. I could only call it fasicsm. Its incredible that a site like that could exist.


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whats next superman with a jetpack? roll eyes (sarcastic)


I hope so. I'd rather see someone screw up Superman than do him justice that he doesn't deserve. Sorry that's just me and my hatred for flying superheroes (the ones that can just "fly" for the hell of it). That lamoid should still only be jumping tall buildings (stupid DC and their making-it-up-as-they-go silliness).

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if you ever read Camerons script for the movie,you would see that guy has no knowledge of spiderman whatsoever


Now this I agree with. I mean, Leonardo DiCaprio as Spider-Man.

Now if Cameron had made the movie, I'd probably be with the "Man-spider" people on this one 100% I'd hate him for making me want Spider-Man dead because he was played by the whiny floppy-haired wimp from Titanic. Saying that, I'm glad Sam Raimi got it. You can criticise it al you want. The first movie had it's flaws, but the second one blew all of my expectations out of the water. To me, that WAS Spider-Man, he had all of the pathos, character and essence of the fundamental structure of the brilliance of the comics down to a tee. I find it really hard to criticise the second episode, both as a movie, and as an adaptation of the comic.

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I see it the other way around.. giving Superman a jetpack is analogous to giving Spiderman web shooters because in both cases they are relying on something man-made rather than an inherant trait.

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Fly for the hell of it? How do you mean?

I think characters like Storm and Jean Grey have justifiable flight (though Jean's isn't really flight).


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Fly for the hell of it? How do you mean?

I think characters like Storm and Jean Grey have justifiable flight (though Jean's isn't really flight).


Yeah, Storm makes sense, Jean Grey too. Iron Man can fly, he has rockets. Magneto can fly.

I mean characters like Wonder Woman and Superman who can just "fly". Are they telepathic? Can they control the wind? Do they have jetpacks? No, they just fly.

I like characters like Archangel, who has wings, therefore, he deserves to fly. I consider "flying" to be a pretty amazing superpower in itself. It shouldn't just be a "standard" superpower.

Also, the likes of Magneto and Jean Grey can fly - but they have to concentrate - which means their powers elsewhere are weakened. Storm is also using wind, so it may not be incredibly accurate.

Superman on the other hand, just flies, makes it seem like it's nothing, it's very stupid.

It also detracts from characters like Archangel and Hawkgirl - when their main superpower is flight, and they need wings, when supermans flying superpower is simply standard, and he doesn't need wings at all. It's very backwards.

I think flying superheroes should only fly if they have a reasonable means of flight. I'm sure there's some nerd who could explain why superman can fly - but it ain't gonna be good enough because thats just making crap up to defend his bad design.

Sorry, turned into a rant, but yeah, fake flyers suck.

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Dude, go read the first issue of Spider-Man, the Amazing Fantasy one.

He plucks the webshooters out of nowhere, he just makes them, there and then. We are never told how or where he got them from. They just were there. The movies at least kept in line with this part of the comic - they kept it just as simple.

Later, they realised he should explain it a bit better, and so we found out he was conveniently devising similar technology before he was bitten - yet another contrivance for the comics to hang their head in shame for. There's nothing worse than for comic book writers to "make it up as they go" - it has a snowball effect and ends up becoming standard to do this, and can cause plotholes.


we are told in one of non related spiderman series, i think i was the untold stories,it shows peter developing what should be a webbshooter.i mean in paper.

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non-related? Well that doesn't really mean anything then. As far as the true, canon, legit, Amazing Fantasy story goes, Pete just made em there and then.

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i mean non related series not comics. its a marvle comics. and reading u previous post ,it might be the one u meantioned about creating as it goes. cos i do have all 62 first spiderman comics. and i remember pretty well he with a nerd smiley face shooting the web with croseed arms

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about super he was suposed to glide (dont ask how) after getting a huge impulse from the ground .what would be fall with sytle

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LOL, falling with style - he even looks like Buzz Lightyear with that ridiculous chin.

That would make sense, I would understand it if he had powers a bit like Cannonball from the X-Men, where he could use himself as a missile, by using his super-jumping ability to launch him. It would limit his flying ability to a more acceptable standard. Like, he he could fly like this, but only at really high speed, and he finds it hard to control.

I mean, the man can run really fast - whats the point when he can fly? Why the hell have contradictions within your own freakin arsenal?

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i dunno i never saw him running i saw his once transportating into a phone box once.
the lame about super is that his is the same person with or witthout glass. how can no one notice it. metropolis definetely need a consult with the oftalmologist (the eye doctor)

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The "faster than a speeding locomotive" always referred to Supermans ability to run really fast.

In fact, I'm sure we see Clark Kent outrunning a train in the Superman movie.

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i dont remember those old movies only the ones with super power guys and a gay shazam luthor made or bought. in my country he is always refered as faster then a bullet so it can aply to either flying or running tho

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Yeah, people think it's his flying thats faster than a speeding bullet, but it was in reference to his super speed.

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I was insulted for no reason.Just look at how carnage spoke to me using profanity in his posts.Because of his behaviour I now have him on ignore.and as you can see,I find Robo-chocobo and spiderman r.j being mature in their posts so since they have discussed this with me in mature fashion,I am willing to continue this discussion with them unlike I will with carnage.


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