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ElectricBugaloo
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if you like led zeppelin, perhaps you should listen to some blues music to see where they took most of their songs from.


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Do you mean got inspiration from, or stole ideas from? If you're going to go on another Zeppelin v. Who tirade, then I don't want to hear it because they are equal in my eyes.


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well i guess it's inspiration if you mean taking guitar riffs note from note from such influential artists like Muddy Waters without so much as acknowledging them is inspiration. I call that theft.


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EB you really exaggerate about LZ a bit here, instead of just accusing them come up with examples to back up your argument

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# "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."

# "Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.

# "Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).

# "Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."

# "Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."

# "Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes).

# "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."

# "How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."

# "In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).

# "The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70's and settled out of court.

# "Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.

# "Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.

# "Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.

# "Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit.

# "White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."
# "Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love."


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To be honost I have seen a similare list like this one before with some of the same songs as mentioned above. Some of the songs bear resemblants thats true but some of them doesnt bear any resemblence at all.
Willie Dixon got "out of court" settlements for You Need Love - Whole Lotta Love, after that it seemed like a lot of similaraties between Zeppelin songs and other songs popped up all of a sudden looking for getting some bucks for copyright thingie

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the ones i listed are only the ones that are generally accepted as being stolen. THere are many more where riffs were ripped off, etc, but i didn't feel like searching out all of those,only the ones where the main parts of the song were clearly not written by Page/Plant and yet were credited to them


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it is mostly Page that theyre after, dont get me wrong I see what youpost and stuff. Thing is it aint news it is old stuff and I heard both good arguments for and against which really leave it all up to what you wanna believe yourself. Me I think he was influenced and borrowed/created similare riffs and stuff but no plagiary artist as some wants him to be. Remember LZ was so huge that someone always wanna piss on their fortune

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actually if you read it, you'll see that they stole both lyrics and guitar riffs. Bonham and JohnPaul Jones are probably the only ones who are inoocent.


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Still dont believe everything I read though

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Yeah, no kidding.


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And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our souls
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll
And she's buying a stairway to heaven

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well you can listen to the songs and then the originals, then make your own opinion. or read some of the books written on this issue.


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Yeah, I 'll get on that. roll eyes (sarcastic)


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And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our souls
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll
And she's buying a stairway to heaven

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yeah, wouldn't want you to actually listen to some new msuic, would we?


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well you can listen to the songs and then the originals, then make your own opinion. or read some of the books written on this issue
exactly what I did. Well it wasnt boosk exactly it was more of the kind of essays. Even seen some documentary issue on the matteer too.

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there are some books written on theft from blues musicians and led zeppeln figures prominently in that.


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thing is it aint all reliable facts though

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quote:
Originally posted by ElectricBugaloo
yeah, wouldn't want you to actually listen to some new msuic, would we?



I actually listen to comtemporary music as well as older stuff, so don't be so quick to judge. What the f**k?


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And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our souls
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll
And she's buying a stairway to heaven

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well you obviously completely missed the point of my post.

You said sarcastically that you would get right on listening to the other artists that wrote Led Zeppelin's songs, and then i sarcastically said that we wouldn't want you listening to new music. Not new as in recently made, but new as in stuff you had not heard before.


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