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Who says Vader forgets about the trick? You can only use it upon death, which is what Vader did... its not like he could have been trying it out for years. It only makes sense that he learn of the trick as a Jedi from a Jedi
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PVS I love ya I really do but you need to get a grip pal....it's a movie...and this isnt THAT big a deal really? I mean will it make you never watch the movies again? Seriously? the whole Greedo/Han thing torques me but I can live with it if I have to. I still do and always WILL love this saga.....personally short of something seriously stupid in EP3 (like Vader being Anakins clone) I'm going to just go with the flow. I have the original OT the way it was show in the theater on VHS so I feel I have the best of both worlds IMHO. Time for rah rahs....back later.
dude, the point i stress is that if this is the case, then *vader knows that kenobi did NOT die on the deathstar* if he knows the trick, he knows kenobi is alive, and helping luke.
"he's just a boy, obiwan can no longer help him"
its settled in that line
vader does NOT know of the technique, or he would not havs said this.
i am willing to accept that vader was playing dumb on the topic of luke, but why would he lie about kenobi?
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^^^ Vader may very well know that there is a possibility that ObiWan is still able to communicate from beyond but may not want to share that with Palpatine... Vader is NOT all bad and as we know deep down inside he wishes Luke will succeed... you really cant rely on quotes from the charachters... (Your Father was already a great starpilot, Darth Vader killed your Father ect.) people lie for different reasons
this sucks......i mean come on,is there really a need to put hayden in ROTJ, and i am not bashing hayden,hes a good actor,i just dont see the point in it......and yeah you can say becouse anakin seized to be after the lava bath,but i think if that was the case,then wouldnt anakin appear young when luke takes his mask off,i mean if the body is dead,how can it grow old......
When Vader sees what happens with Obi-Wan, he realizes joining with the Force is possible. In ESB, Vader says Obi can't help Luke, that could be a lie on his part. Later in that movie, he's trying to turn Luke and he tells Luke that he could destroy the Emperor. I doubt Vader later told his master what he'd said to his son....... Vader had ambitions of replacing Palpatine, so he
lied.
Thanks for that JP. It doesn't bother me if Hayden replaces Shaw. I wouldn't fuss if Shaw remained. All that means to me either way is that he has become Anakin again.
The only thing that we are discussing here is that Hayden has replaced Shaw, but think about it, that does not really matter. In the OT GL had to find an actor to play a redeemed Anakin/Vader and that was shaw, but now that we have a full time anakin maybe GL just thought hey let's use the kid in ROTJ. Which still leaves us with the same question as before, how did they become one with the force. It does not matter who plays anakin at that point or why he comes back as the young anakin.
what this all reminds me of is the fact that i don't really care anymore....not the way i used to....i still enjoy all the films (ot and pt), but so much damage has been done that i don't really feel precious about it anymore.....hayden in rotj is 100 times more stupid than greedo shoots first....it's just STOOOOPID....i can't find any other words to explain....stoopidstoopidstoopid.....thing is, it doesn't make me angry, it just makes me laugh at how stoopid it is.....like i said, i just don't care anymore......
i like zutalurs take on the other matter....
by the way PVS and others who are debating the matter, official word has anakin disapear after he dies, and what they burn on endor is an empty suit....obviously they made it up last week, but that's the official version as of now....no, wait a minute.....now.....
Seriously, Anakin could easily have heard that becoming one with the Force was theoretically possible. Then, he uses it in his final moments of life.....
Heck, maybe he wanted to apologize to Obi and Yoda......
Thi is to explain Anakin's ghost, that's all. It fits, I think. And its not really a big deal in my mind, Anakin becomes one with the Force and retains his identity....
Lucas said something about this (can't remember where) a couple of years ago and that it would be addressed ion Ep.3.....
sorry, i can understand that people don't mind, that's cool....but it seems crazy stoopid laugh out loud craptacular to me still....why would he turn young again?....he was just talking to luke as a kindly old man, he wasn't a different person or a monster then....and why would he have the same haircut he had 30 odd years ago?....it's just one of those things, i can see everyobody's point, but i just don't buy it on a gut level....me i'm buying the dvds for dagohbah in 5.1 surround....
Well, my theory is that a person has some control over how they'll appear.
Anakin wanted to seen as the good person he had been, not the deformed monster he'd become....
As much as I don't like Lucas changing things, it makes sense when considered with the whole story.....
yeah, but sebastian shaw didn't seem like a monster to me in the original ending....i see your point, but there's no point me repeating, i don't have a point to prove plotwise, it just makes me laugh....i'm a lot happier since i started laughing at these things instead of being angry....peace...seagrave out....
(and that's true about anakin dissapearing, really....it wasn't on supershadow.....maybe they changed their mind's again since, but it was official word)
Well, Ani could have disappeared off-camera, but I think Lucas would put that in the film..... This isn't really a big deal, its just senile Lucas explaining what young genius wrote decades ago...
yeah, they just made it up last week, agreed....basically he was using the suit as an excuse, and saying it was empty when they burnt it...for some reason i always kinda thought maybe obi wan and yoda helped him on over to the other side....not like i believed it 100%, just a vague feeling i had when i used to watch it as a kid...
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Sep 8th, 2004 10:50 PM
It doesn't bother me if Hayden replaces Shaw. I wouldn't fuss if Shaw remained. All that means to me either way is that he has become Anakin again.
