First of all, misquote- he does not say 'starpilot'. You are getting confused with Obi-Wan talking to Luke in ANH. If you are nitpicking, then you should at least pay attention to detail.
Secondly, as GL himself says, the whole force disappearing thing is about the line 'Strike me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.' The whole point of the whole scenario... is that Vader does not know anything about this.
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all things considered...if Anakin is going to come back as himself for the ghost scene..why would he come back all scared and mutilated? I mean why not come back as the "whole" being?
the issue is being avoided, or quickly looked over.
as ush pointed out before:
"if you strike me down now, i shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"
ben tells this to vader with the notion that vader has no idea what he's talking about. and as far as someone saying "vader was hiding ben's presence from the emporer", let us not mix pure speculation into this, as this debate is quite confusing enough.
the bottom line is that vader does NOT know what happened when ben disappeared, he was CLUELESS. later in the films he refers to obiwan as having met his "end" and that "obiwan can no longer help (luke)"
vader has no knowledge of the technique of preserving one's identity after death....but anakin seemingly WILL....
...the only logical, yet super-cheesey answer to this was that vader had what i will call "selective memory loss"...but if this is the case, then how would kenobi know of vador's ignorance? and if he DID know, why take the risk of gloating and risking REMINDING vader of such a technique. this technique was the only way they could help luke in his battle against the emporer.
why would ben be so arrogant as to temp fate in such a manner, unless he KNEW that vader would never catch on?
PVS...if you tell me Im overlooking something one more time Imma have to cut you down with this big red saber in my sig....I dont overlook anything I simply dont consider this a big deal pal.
look JP, the new ep4 jabba scene sucks
the 'greedo shot first' scene sucks
the new jabba's band pixar cartoon musical REALLY sucks
and some (not me) think that hayden at the end of rotj sucks.
but all of these additions have one thing in common:
they do not affect the overall plot...
that is why i make a big deal of this issue. if it is true, it potentially sends a (i'll call it a "plot ripple") throughout the ENTIRE OT.
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Saying that Vader does NOT know is purely speculation, and we don't want any of that
I think 90% of the discussions in here are speculation what people think will happen and what the reasons behind it may be.
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I thought it was up for debate what Vaders actions ment at the end of the deul when he taps on top of Bens clothes... but I no read good so Ive never read the book versions or the script where they say that Vader didnt know what happened to Ben.
Hey PVS have you seen the pics of Anakin over top of Padme http://img2.exs.cx/img2/5264/PROOF.jpg
Im guessing you have whats your Opinion on that... is it really him choking her or maybe him just reaching out to her
Still odd though, OB1 and Yoda are old and wrinkly (their whole self?) and Anakin is young as a ghost while he must have aged even when he didnt get burned. Then we go, he returns as a ghost when he was good. He was good when he died... so?
Ah well, I just read an article with a summary of ROTS. they pointed out some of the plotholes because of lining the stories up. McCallum responded by saying that that's something that was unavoidable since ANH was planned as a one-off movie, not as a six-part film. So he advises not to look too closely at the details of the story. Guess we'll just have to swallow.
Funny thing I guess...I have never EVER seen the special edition versions of the OT I have only seen the original versions....maybe thats why Im not so jaded
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