Well according to the bible, we're all born with a sinful nature. But there is an age that one is held accountable for their sinful nature. It's different for each person though. I don't believe newborns of any age should be held accountable for sin. So logically the children wouldn't go to hell, they'd go to heaven.
Plants and animals aren't spiritual beings. Their purpose here is for the benefit and use of the spiritual beings(or humans) that God created this earth for.
Perhaps because much of the earth had been defiled. That's just a guess on my part though. God only knows the extent of the defilement and depravity that the fallen ones had caused during these times. I know his decision was a just and loving one. If it weren't for his cleanup process, none of us would be here today.
Adam was the spokesman for the entirety of Creation. If he fell, everything else fell with him. In Genesis, God doesn't only curse Adam and Eve, He curses the ground and the plants and animals.
Now you tell me, which would be the greater crime, killing the babies and young children and bringing them to Paradise, or letting them fend for themselves in the ruins of a recently-destroyed city on what will become cursed land with no one to find them for miles in all directions.
Why did God wait until so long after Adam to do the flood if he cursed the world after Adam messed up?
I choose C fix the city
My point is that if God has unlimited power then there should always be solutions that don't involve slaughter. Do you atleast understand where I'm coming from.
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1. The flood didn't "fix" the world. Personally, the story of the Flood is a poem, along the lines of the Odyssey, so I could just as easily believe it was a parable or an allegory, for something else rather than a literal history.
2. God does not impose on your ability to choose. He set out rules and consequences, told Man what they were, and that's that.
3. I understand your position. I just disagree with it. God said from the beginning "Disobey and you're toast." (Forgive the expression.) What would you have preferred, life imprisonment?
Your logistical conclusion of your argument is ERRONEOUS
The PREMISE of ur conclusion does not support the VALIDITY of ONE'S IGNORANCE to a situation or of of GODS abilities.
God may have unlimitedly POWER, but he also HAS UNLIMITEDLY RIGHTOEOSNOUS AND LOVE. REMEMBER BROW, Love is ABOUT FREE WILL. But with FREE WILL COMES MORE PERSONAL RESPONSABILITIES. GOD does not have to TOLERATE SIN, AND the peoples of SADAM AND GAMMORAH had the ability to excercise this FREE WILL many times and CHOOSE TO change from these SINS, AND DO WHAT WAS RIGHT BUT THEY DIDN'T.
tHEY'RE OWN CHOICE BROUGHT ABOUT the consequences of THEIR ACTIONS!!
And If God allowed such a wicked CITY TO flourish, it WOULD HAVE EVENTUALLY ENDED up HURTING OTHER CITIES and his people. aND that wouldn't be a very Loving thing for him to do.
ive been a christian for over 18 YEARS OF MY life, and iVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF **** but even I never blame GOD for the poor decisions that IVE MADE!! BLAMING OTHERS for the poor decisions one has made is a sign OF IMMATURITY AND SELFISHNESS.
Teh people of soddam and GAMMORAH were HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR sins like we all well should be. God was in the RIGHT AND JUSTIFIED with what he did. So if YOU want FREE WILL, the you half to except the good AND TEH the bad that comes along with it.
It's illogical, because there is nothing that makes you better, just because you beleive in God. I know it doesn't put you on any sort of moral pedestal.
However, there are Christians, especially Evangelicals, who will insist they know God's will, and therefore factually know what is best for everyone. They also claim to be our moral superiors.
When did I say you should all be punished ? I'm not a big advocate for punishment, I have made that clear for months.
But God will send non beleivers to Hell, simply because they didn't beleive ?
youve purposely ERRONEOUSLY MISINTERPRETED MY PRESENTATION of the ARGUMENT, TO GIVE CREDENCE to the INHERENT STUPIDITY OF YOUR OWN IRRATIONALITY.
GOD BEING UNLIMITEDLY LOVING..WILL NOT TOLERATE SIN, HE WILL RIGHTEOUSLY PUNISH THOSE WHO DO NOT REPENT FROM IT..BECAUSE HE IS LOVING bro!!
This answers All of UR QUESTIONS ABOUT Teh flood, teh SADAM n GAMMORAH, AND ANY RIGHTEOUS PUNISHMENT THAT GOD ENACTS!! So dont ask these same questions over and over AGAIN!!
Now..go DOWNLOAD A COPY OF THAT COMPANION BIBLE TEH OTHER DUDE TOLD YOU TO DOWNLOAD in that other thread..SO i dont have to RE-EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT I MEANT OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!
You might AS WELL SET UP AN AUTO-MESSAGE REPLY SCRIPT FOT THIS FORUM. CAUSE YOU AKS THE SAME DAMB QUESTION ever frkn TIME.
[b]Read my lips!!
GOD HAS THE frkn right to ENACT RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT, AND BEING ALL LOVING, OF COURSE HE WILL ENACT SOME FORM OF PUNISHMENT FOR THOSE WHO DONT REPENT FROM SIN!! HOW OR WHY THE HELL WOULD HE ALLOW PEOPLE TO HURT OTHERS FOR ALL ETERNITY, WITHOUT STOPPING THEM FROM HURTING TEH OTHERS?!! i WOULD definitely not FOLLOW a GOD who continued to REWARD THOSE WHO ENJOYED HURTING OTHERS, AND DIDNT TRY TO REPENT FROM IT!!
Is HITLER GOD?
DID the JEWS SIN AGAINST HITLER?
IS HITLER OMNIPOTENT, OMNIPRESENT, ALL-LOVING, DIE ON A FRKN CROSS FOR TEH SINS OF MANKIND, ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK AGAINST HIM, ETC, ETC, ETC..
HELL NO BRO!!
God aint no HITLER, HE DON'T FORCE PEOPLE TO DO HIS WILL, he GIVES THEM A CHOICE, AND THEY MAKE THE DECISION FOR THEMSELVES when they CHOOSE the ALTERNATIVE TO LOVE..
wHY IS THIS Soo hard for you to understand?!!
I'll tell u WHY. CAUSE THE PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU IS that no ANSWER CAN SATISFY YOU. you arent LOOKING FOR AN CORRECT ANSWRE. YOU're JUST LOOKING FOR A WAY TO thwart GOD'S WILL, AND WHEN HE LAY THE SMACKETH DOWN ON YOUR CANDY ASS as he always does, you WHINE AND ***** ALL DAY about WHAT GOD HASNT DONE, even though HE HAS BEEN EVER SO MERCIFUL WITH YOU..CAUSE YOU don't want to face the FACT that USING THE FREE will he's given you, YOU'VE SCREWED UP yourself..NOT GOD.
YOU WANT ALL THE PERKS OF HAVING FREE WILL, without ANY SACRIFICE OR CONSEQUESENCES IT ENTAILS. nothing will SATISFY YOU TILL YOU have BECOME GOD urself..and FORTUNATELY FOR ME AND THE REST OF US WHO TRULY LOVE HIM..WE server a GOD..WHO WILL not compromise to such FOOLISH WHIMSICAL DESIRES.
So I'm tired of DEBATING WITH YOU..the ANSWERS ARE ALL THEIR. NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY JESUS JUST DIDNT SAY NUTTING TO PONTIAS PILOT..THE WHOLE POINT OF ARGUING WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU NEVER ENDS and never solves nutting..IT JUST KEEPS GOING AND GOING..
So the ONLY THING LEFT TO DO IS DO XACTLY WHAT john SAID TO DO...
I John 5 vs 16
If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life.
Ill pray that you accept Jesus in your life brotha..cause he alone is the KEY TO YOUR HAPPYNESS AND SALVATION.
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