But you can't use anything that happaens that makes juggernaut look bad! One good swat from Juggernaut could knock most of the X-men out. It could certainly knock out Psylocke and Emma Frost with a single hit!
His helmet is impervious because no one can stay concious when he swats them!
He could just charge through them and knock them out before they realize what's happening!
If you are talking about the encounter of deathstroke and batman in deathstroke the terminator series. This has already been debated but if you insist. That batman was not out to get deathstroke. And before he realized it batman was sleeping on the floor courtesy of yours truly.
lol! The sheer number of telepaths in the X-Men boggles the mind.
People say that DC characters are overpowered. Maybe they are physically, but Marvel balance it out by making everyone a psychic or a Cosmic Being, lol!
And when did this thread become Jugs v XMen? And why? lol
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according to stats apparently the only one as indestructable as juggernaught is spiderman!
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It's pretty obvious that every pro-spidey poster on this thread values stats rather highly, but there is many stats that there precious cards and guides don't show. These are intellectual stats mostly, so it's no wonder why none of the pro-spidey posters value them.
So, someone got pissed because I proved Batman hits harder than spidey using there own logic. Instead of giving any "logical" rebbutle, I'm just trashed instead.
"Spidey punches threw brick walls," "Spidey knocks over steel doors," right... Like It's something that those loveable travelling monks don't do on a regular basis. There's your real world logic, one where Batman hits harder than Spidey.
So which one is it? Do we use your "logic" or not spidey-fans? Not that it matters, Batman wins either way.
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Or so it would seem, but no such deeds should I be accused of.
Highest recorded power from a punch over 4,000 psi.
Many martial artist train to break things, conditioning there bodies to handle things that would normally break the man instead.
Muay Thai fighters condition there shins by first kicking bamboo, then move up threw a few grades of harder wood, and usually end in concrete.
Traditional martial artist almost all condition the hands, punching rice, moving up threw sand and gravel, making there hands capable of taking the extreme force of there punches.
Bones are subjected to micro fractures, Calcium heals the bones fortifying it and adding mass.
Many Thai boxers actually have an entirely extra ridge of bone on there shin, have shown to easily break humans (by which I mean break everything that the kick touches) in a single strike.
Batman is superior, can even control chi (which some will say it takes time, but it has never been shown to take any time, and the fact that he can do it but is never shown doing it might lead an intellegent person to beleive he's always doing it or doing it at will) so "logically" batman can produce even more force than said martial artist, and has even proven to do so in comics (sixteen year old bruce cracks 3 foot wide tree wide open, and don't you even dare tell me trees aren't hard, just look at crashed vehicle footage.)
Untrained fighter, can produce only part of his bench in force, unbalanced punch means force will not effectivley travel in one direction, Off balance punch means force will be even less effective. This "logically" explains why "street level" opponents have survived Spidermans punches, even while Spiderman is trying to injure/kill.
Merc, you sure dont want to get off the sinking ship, but your points make me think the boat is actually not sinking at times. You are absolutely correct about your knowledge on martial arts. That iron shirt training is no joke, but it is spiderman we are talking about here. Spideys webbing is as strong as steel, so i dont think people should just dis regaurd that. In the end batman is only human fighting a SUPERhuman who can virtually fly with equal intelligence
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Spidey's webbing is definitley a good way to victory, I just think the chances of him actually hitting with it are slim.
Batman dodges bullets both in quantity and quality. Multiple enemies with fully automatics all firing simultaneously, Accomplished marksmen, including DC's best, deadshot, and many other projectiles many of which are faster than webbing. Let's not forget Batman's cape and shadow techniques.
Someone argued, well spidey could just shoot a net of webbing. Is a net of webbing not slower than a stream? Let us not forget Batmans top grade athleticism/acrobatics (which are probably on par with DD's.)
This is because sometimes I actually try, You should read some of my first post on this thing (when I actually cared to argue intellengently.) Now I've countered every arguement twice and only have inspiration to write a good post every once in a while (this is certainly what you've noticed.)
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Last edited by MERCILOUS on May 28th, 2005 at 01:04 PM
You don't get it. They never really fought each other.
So all we have, is stats. All the rest is only assuming and speculating. So again, all we have is stats. And Spider-Mans stats just happen to be much better than those of Batman. Learn to live with it.
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