Maybe it is Mr. Clean? He was completely impervious to Wolverine's claws (he may have scored his flesh but I forget)... and then Wolverine killed him with fire and smoke inhalation.
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Yeah? Because we've also seen Wolverine cause the god damned Pheonix to strain herself trying to keep him contained.
We've also seen Wolverine who had been blown up, shot with lazers, impregnated by brood, and diced a dozen times over fighting the whole Brood nation for over 24 hours being gassed, poisoned, and taking a 20 story drop go on jump right into a full powered optic blast and punch Cyclops out.
We're supposed to believe that he had some upgraded physical powers they never mentioned even though a skrullverine was taking it to him better than anyone else on the X-Men team?
Do you fail to realize his display against Skrullverine as Death was worse than any display against a skrullverine that Wolverine's ever had before or since, and that in those other situations he was under worse off circumstances?
Where were these physical enhancements then?
Pft.
Notice: not one of those enhancements being a strength upgrade.
I agree, we will..... I just won't be surprised if there isn't some outside circumstance given and people start theory crafting to lowball the character anyways. Par for the course.
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the only times Wolverine's "failed" to cut something was when his claws were matched up with someone who had "impenetrable" skin as a gimmick, other "indestructible" material, or before his claws were written to be sharp enough to cut through anything and "bounced off rock or metal".
Can you name a single time that Wolverine's ever said anything like "I could cut him if only I were stronger".... cause I can't.
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What comics have you been reading?
Give me scans.
Give me issue numbers.
Give me a general arc and I'll find it myself.
Cause I can tell you, the only time Wolverine has ever tried to cut Colossus... He succeeded with a panel stating how Colossus was no match for his Adamantium claws.
We've seen Colossus and Wolverine tussle a few times before, but that's the only other instances where Wolverine's actually layed mitts on him.
If you honestly think that just because Wolverine didn't dice Colossus into meat cubes or spill internal organs with a backhanded swipe is an indication that Colossus can't be seriously harmed by him... in spite of a panel describing outright that he's no match for those claws......
I wonder then what you think of him doing the same relative damage to guys like Daredevil, Punisher, and Psylocke means....
Are they ALSO under no real threat of being killed by Wolverine's claws?
Because that's what your argument seems to suggest...
The only evidence that exists between Wolverine's claws and Colossus sides pretty damned heavily in Wolverine's favor, but of course you apparently know of some evidence I don't.... please feel free to provide it.
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we know logan has cut ben grimm to the bone...without any guilt
so please spare me the logan is holding back bs
colossus is not daredevil, or any of those street levelers you mentioned...who would lose limbs if the writer allowed logan to cut them.
if logan could actually penetrate colossus, then he would've done to colossus what he did to ben. yet he has never done so barring the recent demonverine, which doesn't count.
You think because Wolverine only did superficial damage to Colossus that he can't be harmed with a full on shot from the claws....
Your line of reasoning precludes that Wolverine's backhandslash was DEFINITELY more than a glancing blow (never proven, and contradicted by the basic premise of what a backhand slash IS).
Your line of reasoning beckons us to ignore the narrative statement given to us, not only about what Wolverine's claws can do, but what they can do to Colossus specifically.
Your line of reasoning calls for us to base out perceptions of Wolverine's ability to cut something soley on the amount of damage inflicted by any type of attack in ANY given situation.
Using that reasoning I then conclude that Mr. X has Adamantium claw resistant skin more durable than Luke Cage.
You don't see what's wrong with that?
And bringing up Thing is a completely nonsensical red herring. Wolverine's actually landed flush attacks on Thing....
Aside from the 80's feat where Wolverine cut him.
And today's feats.. where Wolverine cut him...
what other evidence leads you to conclude that he can't cut Colossus.. again you've stated it exists.
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other than the fact that a normal logan has never cut colossus...what more evidence do you need?
and you're the one with red herrings about how logan also doesn't cut capt, dd, etc. Those guys don't get cut because of skill. Also we know they're flesh, which logan HAS cut before...hence we know logan CAN cut them even if he hasn't.
Colossus isn't flesh. He's organic steel. Logan has never cut colossus nor organic steel.
It isn't that complicated jinzin.
Also, if you say logan can cut colossus...show me a damn scan where normal logan actually cuts (not scratches) colossus. and I'll shutup.
Nope but there was some seriously bad portrayal of characters vs Wolverine.
So much defense of Wolverine, I didn't comment negatively just that his portrayals against foes are poor.
Who cares if he has a str upgrade or not its never something I've mentioned just bad character portrayals with these "verines" we see is all. Then generally its downplayed if someone brings up a similar portrayal where he is mindcontrolled or not in "focus" then those aren't worth mentioning.
This isn't straight up wolverine fighting so take it with a grain of salt.
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You UNBELIEVABLE hack.... No one here is asking you to prove a negative.
I'm asking you to provide EVIDENCE of Wolverine trying to cut Colossus and failing... You have alluded to having such evidence... where is it?
Normal Logan has never tried to cut Colossus and failed. You think otherwise? Prove it. Show me. Tell me where it happened.
Do something... check that, do ANYTHING to back up your argument with anything outside of your self serving ass backwards contradictoy "logic"...... PLEASE.
Uh... okay so NOW you think Wolverine can't cut these guys because of skill? UH... and NO!
Mr. X literally GRABBED his claws barehanded and drove them into the floor without cutting his fingers off or even slcing his hand...
Was THAT also a display of skill?
I've gotten used to the fact that you're generally useless in your contributions to these threads, the least you could do though is TRY not to make it worse.
Again... the ONLY times Wolverine has tried to cut Colossus was once in the 80's and once yesterday.
So I'll ask you one more time.... OTHER THAN YOUR ABSOLUTELY BASELESS CONJECTURE..... what makes you think he can't cut Colossus, what evidence exists to support that?
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It's nothing about negative or positive outlooks on the character. It's about representation and misrepresentation.
Death-Wolverine's upgrades were listed, noted, and referenced. Enhanced strength was not one of them.
I really don't think anyone in the Wolverine camp is using the feat as evidence of ANYTHING other than Wolverine possibly being able to cut Collosus.
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