Funny I liked the Buu saga, and the Saiyan saga. Not much else in between. Future Trunks ruined the whole Cell Saga for me..that and Gohan. And I didn't like Freeza that much. though Nail was pretty awesome imo.
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How did Future Trunks ruin the Cell saga for you? And how did Gohan ruin it? Because someone other than Goku was the hero for a change? I bet that's what it is.
__________________ "It wasn't even about the eggs. Quite frankly I like the eggs, I don't have no...problem with...It's just there's always been a lot of tension between me & Lois. It's not so much as I want to kill her...I just want her...to not be...alive anymore. I sometimes wonder if all women are this difficult. Then I think to myself, wouldn't it be MARVELOUS if I turned out to be a homosexual?"
Actually I like Gokou about as much as I like Gohan which isn't a lot at all. Trunks was to annoying thinking Gokou was the only one who could do anything and trying to stop Vegeta from doing anything and whining all the time. And Gohan is to much of a pacifist for my taste. Gokou making Gohan fight, and then leaving his family just to train a kid isn't exactly going to make him a favorite. Heck I actually think it is cool Gohan beat Cell and not Gokou but I believe Gokou could have beaten Cell he just also knew Gohan could the thing is Gohan didn't wanna fight and Gokou didn't realize it.
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No, Goku could not have beaten Cell. Gohan had hidden potential & Goku didn't which is why he wanted Gohan to fight. Also, why would Trunks want to carry out Vegeta's outlandish plans? Vegeta wanted the androids to be activated so he could fight them & where did that get him? He got his ass whooped & his pride took a major dive. That was one of his biggest blunders in the series. That & letting Cell reach his perfect form.
__________________ "It wasn't even about the eggs. Quite frankly I like the eggs, I don't have no...problem with...It's just there's always been a lot of tension between me & Lois. It's not so much as I want to kill her...I just want her...to not be...alive anymore. I sometimes wonder if all women are this difficult. Then I think to myself, wouldn't it be MARVELOUS if I turned out to be a homosexual?"
Yea and who wins though Gohan not Gokou so Trunks was still wrong. And the fact that Trunks was also stronger then Perfect Cell should have shut him about Gokou being the only one who can win. Sure Vegeta's plan was outlandish but its Vegeta what can you expect from one so arrogant. He just wanted to prove he was stronger then Gokou and ended up being beat. Trunks should have just let him go about his way. Nothing would have really changed at all. And also hiding his power because he didn't want Vegeta to know he was stronger...
And Gokou wasn't exactly tired out and was going toe to toe with Cell before he just decided to quit. Gokou couldn't have beaten Cell when he came back with the whole ssj2 aura I do believe that but I have no doubts he couldn't of killed him when they fought. He blew off the top of him, why didn't he just finish him off before he regrew? He sat there and let him grow back his upper body. Also Vegeta could have beaten him with his Final Flash that missed.
Then Cell has to go and remake the mistake he knew Trunks made by becoming stronger but slower. That I don't understand.
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Yamcha didn't try to fight, he helped find the androids & that was it. He had so much potential & should've been used more. I would've like to see him put up a fight with Android 19 for a while. Tien & Krillin should've also had more fights as well.
__________________ "It wasn't even about the eggs. Quite frankly I like the eggs, I don't have no...problem with...It's just there's always been a lot of tension between me & Lois. It's not so much as I want to kill her...I just want her...to not be...alive anymore. I sometimes wonder if all women are this difficult. Then I think to myself, wouldn't it be MARVELOUS if I turned out to be a homosexual?"
It didn't matter that Trunks was stronger, the point was he sacrificed speed for power & that was what caused him to lose. Also, if you're Vegeta & you find out your son of all people is stronger than you, how would you feel?
Cell was toying with Goku, he could've easily beaten him if he wanted to. Also, Goku didn't know that Cell could regenerate which is why he thought he was dead after firing a Kamehameha blast. Only Piccolo & Vegeta knew Cell had the power of regeneration. And Vegeta couldn't have beaten Cell with his Final Flash seeing as he couldn't use the attack at full power because if he did he would've destroyed the Earth.
Cell made that mistake because of his anger. When you're losing a fight you'll pull out anything to win & that was all that Cell had left to do. There's not much to understand.
I know what Trunks did. I don't see why Cell, who seems to be a lot smarter then Trunks when it comes to fighting, would make the same mistake even if he was angry. Gohan was faster so the last thing he should have thought about was trying to get stronger without being faster. He should have attacked one of the others, Gohan would have saved them and got hit with a blast. ^^; Oh wait didn't that happen with Vegeta.
And Vegeta could have used the blast at full power...He did while standing in front of Cell. He doesn't have to blast the ground now does he. He can just blast it off into space like well he did. And I'm really sure Piccolo would mention Cell's regen abilities to Gokou and the rest.
As for Trunks keeping his power away...Yea sure Vegeta's pride would have been hurt but when has Trunks done anything else for Vegeta besides telling him he can't win and wait for Gokou because only he can. I'm sure after all that being stronger and slower won't matter much to Vegeta when Trunks doesn't even think he can do anything anyway.
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You don't get it. When you're angry you don't think. Cell's anger was clouding his judgment so he couldn't think clearly. Also, if you're so sure they would've mentioned his regeneration abilities to Goku & everyone else, then why didn't they? They had all forgotten about it by then for some reason.
__________________ "It wasn't even about the eggs. Quite frankly I like the eggs, I don't have no...problem with...It's just there's always been a lot of tension between me & Lois. It's not so much as I want to kill her...I just want her...to not be...alive anymore. I sometimes wonder if all women are this difficult. Then I think to myself, wouldn't it be MARVELOUS if I turned out to be a homosexual?"
Yea I know anger clouds the judgement, unless your a saiyan and then you become a stronger level of Super Saiyan appparently, but Cell was a great fighter I just don't see why he would do that. I know why he did it and I could see somebody like Vegeta doing it but not Cell. Cell was cocky sure and he wanted Gohan to get serious but c'mon can you really see Cell doing that? I could see him attacking the others like he did to try to make Gohan made before I see him making such a mistake.
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i think you guys are forgeting one thing, cell is made up of all the fighters in the dbz world. android mabe but still part of the fighters in the series, hense the name CELL. thats the reason he made mistakes in the cell games. the reason goku wanted gohan to fight was because he was the first one to reach ssj2. goku had not made there at this point. he also said that he wanted gohan to fight because he knew he would someday have to defend the planet after goku was gone. he was trying to pave the way for future protectors of earth.
Most of that is wrong. How could Goku want Gohan to fight because he was the first person to reach SSJ2 when SSJ2 was reached for the first time in their battle against Cell. And him being made of everyone has nothing to do with the mistake he made. But, you were right when you said Goku was trying to pave the way for Gohan to be Earth's protector. That's why Gohan should've defeated Kid Buu & not Goku.
__________________ "It wasn't even about the eggs. Quite frankly I like the eggs, I don't have no...problem with...It's just there's always been a lot of tension between me & Lois. It's not so much as I want to kill her...I just want her...to not be...alive anymore. I sometimes wonder if all women are this difficult. Then I think to myself, wouldn't it be MARVELOUS if I turned out to be a homosexual?"
No, Saiyans can make mistakes when they are angry as well. They don't always get a stronger level of Super Saiyan. Take Vegeta for instance. He nearly got himself killed against Cell after Cell had killed Trunks. I know it was his son from an alternate time but he still shouldn't have tried to attack Cell. In a way, Vegeta could've become the first SSJ2 had Cell killed Trunks earlier.
Possibly though Vegeta didn't go ssj2 after Trunks was killed so I doubt he would've had Trunks been killed earlier.
And was there any reason Gokou decided to make Uub the next protector of Earth? Because his sons didn't want to fight? Or because Uub was actually strong enough to rival Gokou at normal levels if trained properly? Even though I don't like Gohan I would of liked to actually have him be what Gokou always wanted him to be. The world's protector though. It would have just been cool to see Gohan being smart and being the strongest. He'd probably actually be able to defeat opponents faster since he doesn't have his fathers lust for battle and he would be smart enough to make up some good strategies possibly if the opponent was stronger or as strong as him.
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I'm saying that Toriyama could've had Vegeta become a SSJ2 if Cell would've killed Trunks earlier.
Also, I believe you're right. Goku probably wanted to make Uub the protector of Earth because of his huge potential. If Elder Kai were to unlock all fo Uub's potential after some serious training like he did Gohan, then Uub could turn out to be as strong as Goku or maybe even Gohan. Another thing that could really boost his power level would be to fuse with Majin Buu like he did in GT. Also, Gohan was the strongest. His mystic form is far superior to any Super Saiyan form. Goku even stated that himself in a way in the manga. GT is non canon so Super Saiyan 4 doesn't count.
__________________ "It wasn't even about the eggs. Quite frankly I like the eggs, I don't have no...problem with...It's just there's always been a lot of tension between me & Lois. It's not so much as I want to kill her...I just want her...to not be...alive anymore. I sometimes wonder if all women are this difficult. Then I think to myself, wouldn't it be MARVELOUS if I turned out to be a homosexual?"
I doubt Gohan was the strongest after that ten year gap though. No training and all that while Gokou would be even though his sons aren't. I wish that tournament would of been finished. Obviously Mr. Satan won but I want to know if Goten would have beaten Buu or not. Doubtful but who knows. And where would Pan stop?
I also wonder if Akira made something after Z would Gokou visit his family often or not.
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