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Dum Dum Dugan
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Originally posted by Deadline
Haha pulling my own tactics on me. The only reason why I didn't state it was a matter of opinion is because 90% of the time you are not willing to do this. For example if we get into a debate about wether Cap can KO Wolverine you will find an excuse for every single example of Wolverine being Koed or try to pick and choose and dictate whats PIS is eg Cap can't stun bricks but its ok for Wolverine to take class 100 shots.

Not suprisingly you have noticed that I stated it wasn't a matter of opinion because this another tatic that you use. If I accuse you of doing something you then try and analyse my post and try to catch me doing it as well. You think it's a matter of opinion, but I'm sure as hell not going to bend over backwards and come half way when you don't.

What evidence you got anyway?

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This is uncalled for. We get it, we get it, you hate Jinzin and Srank. This obession you have with them needs to stop. You have absurd amount of agression towards them, that is not healthy or needed. You are simply being childish, with these constant attacks on them every time you post. It pathetic, sad and you need to grow up and stop being such a child.

Have a nice day Crom.

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Cap with ease

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Cap with ease

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this has to be a joke.........

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Cap with ease
What the f**k?


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You missed the point though, he does better against Wolverine.


so? Frank isn't unexpected to do well against Wolverine

Frank v Wolvie doesn't say nearly as much about cap v Wolvie as the plethora of other wolvie skill feats


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nope I'm serious.. Caps skills are black belt level... Wolv.. purple belt level

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nope I'm serious.. Caps skills are black belt level... Wolv.. purple belt level

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man your killing me with these jokes. If your honestly serous, you should not be stating any such opinion on the fights out come, because you clearly lack even basic understand of both characters abilities.

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Wolverine a purple belt? I thought it was blue?

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How does having more example of fights out side of ennis writing, take away from the fact Ennis down play Wolverine abilities significantly?


How on earth does Einnis downplay Wolverines abilities when hes actually done better against Wolverine outside Einnis? Also some of the fights outside Einnis are comparable, can't be bothered to break it down. Clearly if Punisher can land two unanswered shots and partially blast him with buckshot, its perfectly reasonable that in another fight he could hit him in the nuts with a baseball bat and blast him in the face.


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Wolverine takes Punisher out with a glancing shot, and then Punisher later manage to wistand wolverine for two pannels? how on earth is that comparable to ennis?


How on earth does Einnis downplay Wolverines abilities when hes actually done better against Wolverine outside Einnis?

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again what instance in that run are you reffering to?


Issue #2 they fight breifly and I'm not refering to Wolverine allowing himself to take a bullet, so don't bring that up.

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Yea were wolverine mocks, him toys with him and beats him so badly into the ground he can't even get back up, despite having one sided prep. Oh and Wolverine pretty much calls him a *** after making Punisher helpless......again how on earth is this comparabale to ennis crap?


Irrelevant.

How on earth does Einnis downplay Wolverines abilities when hes actually done better against Wolverine outside Einnis?


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No it not, at best it 2 to 1. ?


Ok one more time.

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For heavens sake stop talking and actually analyse whats being said. How many times has Wolverien fought Punisher under Einnis. Twice. How many examples are there outside of Einnis, we have.

Carl Potts Punisher and Wolverine Jungle Saga
Wolverine and Punisher that link I just gave you
They also had a big fight in a Wolverine issue.

Thats 3/2 in favour of issues outside of Einnis





See how you couldn't even be bothered to read the post then you want to whine about how I'm unfair. Don't come back and tell me it's 2 to 1 again.

Oh and for the matter in the Carl Potts arc they fought in two seperate issues so thats actually 4/2.

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I not going back an read an entire craptastic arc, simply becuase you told me. What instance are you refferring too? Actauly state what instance you are reffering to is, instead of posting an entire arc and saying "go read it" that not debating it you being childish.


Absolutely stating that its 2 to 1 in favour of Einnis when I've shown you other examples isn't childish either. Even if you wnated to ignore Wolverine and Punisher thats 3/2.

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how does them fairing better against Punisher = being more skilled. When there lots of factors, circumstance that differ between wolverine engagements against Punisher and theres.


There arent lots of different factors and circumstance thats some stuff you made up.


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Not to mention how does fighting a man who using firer arms primarily equate to h2h skill champ?

Gotta love your flawed abc logic.


Yea because MA (in comics) skill doesn't teach you to evade gunfire and you won't use MA skill to do it.

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You wanna play this game? Ok champ. Capt had his hands filled several times with cross bones. Some one who would never be a threat to Wolverine. In fact Wolverine took him out with a single punch, something Capt has never done. So by your logic that makes Wolverine skill>>Capt.

Yea it works both ways champ.



Not sure if I would use one example of Wolverine one-shotting Crossbones as conclusive proof that Wolverine > Cap anyway. Hell Bucky has done better against Crossbones than Cap has and we know Steve is more skilled than he is. To me Crossbones didn't really care wether he won or not and wasn't fighting to his best. Hes trapped in a cell with Wolverine and DD he can't win.

My argument has lot more in favour when you consider the fact that Punisher has fought Wolverine about 6 times, Cap three and DD loads. Alot more evidence going my way. It also makes sense that Punisher would do better against Wolverine because he has a tendency to charge into combat and sometimes allowings himself to get hit, more cautious opponents like Cap and DD do better. Its not just the actual fights its how Wolverine fights in general.


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so? Frank isn't unexpected to do well against Wolverine


He does better against Wolverine because he uses less skill when he fights.



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Frank v Wolvie doesn't say nearly as much about cap v Wolvie as the plethora of other wolvie skill feats


Not sure what your point is.


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Cap takes this

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take the punisher Pis crap out of this thread into the right one

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t442487.html


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take the punisher Pis crap out of this thread into the right one

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t442487.html


Good rebuttal there. thumb up

IDLI, IDH.


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He does better against Wolverine because he uses less skill when he fights.


indirect speculation at best afaik


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Good rebuttal there. thumb up

IDLI, IDH.
i have no idea what it is you are tryin to say, idli, idh?

either way it really has no place here but are simply derailing the thread and the two involved.

is there anything specific you are tryin to show with punisher ennis run that would some how help Cap without lowballing either character?


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Wolverine 7 or 8/10


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i agree that Wolverine wins on paper he is a match to Cap in almost all areas and exceeds him in others.

the skill argument is one of the few things that is arguable as being equal and that is only if we ignore feats, character history of wolverine which are more numerous and more exotic that puts him above.

hand reaction speed goes to wolverine which Cap can only counter using his shield as it would be suicide to engage him h2h in a counter parry, block fight. which means cap would have to maintain the shield at all times.

Wolverine's healing factor makes him able to take by far more damage if he has to or if he wants to in exchange for his own attack.

his bones make him far more durable as well as for cap's are still susceptible to injury and permanent or incapacitating damage.

plus if we use their fighting history on panel Cap has only ever stood a chance by one sided situations effecting Logan negatively before ever engaging Cap and even than it has only manage to put cap at near equal grounds at best.


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i have no idea what it is you are tryin to say, idli, idh?

either way it really has no place here but are simply derailing the thread and the two involved.

is there anything specific you are tryin to show with punisher ennis run that would some how help Cap without lowballing either character?


He's saying that it appears that you are ignoring evidence that you don't like or that doesn't suit you.

(I don't like it, it didn't happen).


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He's saying that it appears that you are ignoring evidence that you don't like or that doesn't suit you.

(I don't like it, it didn't happen).
thank you for the clarification, i figured it had something to do as a snide remark toward me/


so anyways......

who do you see winning this fight and why?


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Majority towards Wolverine for the aforementioned reasons. Any area Cap has an advantage in it won't be enough to outweigh his disadvantages.

He might pull it off in a comic, but in a forum I'd give it to Logan 7/10.


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