Clickclick> “I know what Quantum-physics is, it was never in question.”
Saying the scientific Big Bang theory amounts to faith, is saying quantum-physics amounts to faith.
As opposed to you, dear, I happen to KNOW what I’m talking about. Read the post I made to Afro_Cheese and go read up on (for the gigazillionth time) what Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation is. This radiation is proof of Big Bang.
” So to ask somebody to prove it, its stupidity.” No, it’s simply not accepting that someone can say ”I’m right because it says so in this book.” Accepting something without any evidence, dear – THAT is stupidity.
” While you may know some things about physics (perhaps) you certainly seem like you are struggling mightly with the english language.”
Oh, I am so sorry that English isn’t my first language. Should we switch to Danish which is mine?
”How tired. Yes, I really understand what Hawkins is talking about.”
Why do you then go out of your way to make it sound as if you do not?
True Nothingness: Did you understand what I was trying to explain with 1+(-1)=0? Then say so, and you’re entitled to ask further questions into the fields of quantum-vacuum and space-time.
Afro_Cheese> ” On the other hand, the big bang does make sense scientifically, so it doesn't rely on faith.”
Exactly. The scientific theory of Big Bang relies on cosmology, relativity and quantum-field theory. These scientific branches have stood the test of time, and given us stuff like GPS, lasers and MRI-images, to name a few. We can test what the constituents of matter are made of in large accelerators, test hypothesises etc. We have the CMB-radiation which was predicted to be a result of Big Bang long before it was found.
All these branches of science, which have been proven, points to a Big Bang some 13,7 billion years ago. That is => The Big Bang theory is a LOGICAL extrapolation of proven science.
Duronkiller> Oh, but you are. But fortunately I am also entitled to simply shrug at your blatant display of ignorance and move on.
“It would take more faith to believe that the universe sprung without cause from literal nothingness than it would take to believe the existence of God.”
No one claims the Universe didn’t have a cause!
Just because something is as complex as the Univese, does in no way prove nor point to the existence of any higher being.
Do you understand how you computer works? No? Does that mean God himself created it?
“god is the start of anything and everything on the earth.”
Prove that.
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The big bang was not the question. The big bang is the explanation for the creation of the universe. What is in question is the existence of the singularity that preceded space and time. It would be beyond quatam laws of physics. What is the cause for the universe to begin existing?
No, Im saying that I believe it to be true. Is morality not
evidence? Is the existence of the universe not evidence? is the orderly univers not evidence?
No but we can switch to french if you would like.
To say that 1+ (-1)=0 is assuming that there has to be something. 0+0=0 would constitute true nothingness. What is the cause for the universe to begin existing?
If you are saying it would need to be 1 + (-1)=0 I ask you what laws govern that beyond space and time?
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I think he mixed it up with Christian but I don't know, and I think he doesn't like the Term Bad Choice even though it is the right term to explain what that was from the Priest.
nice argumentation there dude
someone doesnt share your opinion (your belief)... so you get aggressive and tell ME that im stupid... (isnt this the same way the church brought so many people in to christian belief?)... then i try to explain my point of view to you and ask you (indirect) how scientists could know that there are quarks in positrons and neutrons.... and you ignore me?!?!? WELL thats a big point now i believe in everything you say
if chrisitans want me to believe in god they need to prove gods existence to me, it is they who are eager to change my way of belief not vice versa so the proving task is in their hands.
How do you figure that? To believe that universe began to exist without cause and from literal nothingness? You think that based on everything we know the probability of that (something that sounds so crazy) is higher than the probability of a creator?
Never mind the questions in the unvierse itself. We live in an orderly universe, do you know how slim the odds are that would happen by chance? Smaller than the odds that it would happen by design, ill tell you that much. How about the existence of life by chance vs the probablity of non life?? Why is the universe ordered by natural laws? Do they not suggest an authority to create them? How do we have an objective moral standard?
Im sure I could go on but I think you get my point. Things like these are the reason why it is takes more faith to be an atheist than it takes to be a theist. The universe coming into being without cause and from nothingness alone is reason enough to say it takes more faith to be an atheist.
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