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God or No God?
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mr.smiley
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Originally posted by Freaky Zeeky
I believe in him.


Yeah I agree.and while people may find fault in the concept of god,their is also extreame faults with evolution.


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sonnet
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Originally posted by Pyropsycho
Yes, the feeling of God's presence is an unforgettable experience.


I could not agree with you more!!! It is something that changes your life forever.

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Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I think if I were God people would have free will. But they would be under no obligation to worship me, and if they were to do so I would want it to be for a reason, because I had earned their faith, rather then spooking them with the whole "your free to believe what you want, but, ah, if its not me well you have a long time in hell as your reward". And I would stop all this so called faith testing business. Justice would be far higher on my mind. And I would also make some new animals. Giant spiders, flying pigs and wookies. Lots of wookies. Even though they aren't animals.

In fact I agree largely with Finti. The Christian God is all powerful. If I was all powerful, and all Good, then things would be good, and by rights it should be in my power to do so. None of this hypocrisy, if I was God, and loved humanity, then I would show it by being good to them.

It is so great to judge!!! All of the gods whether it was Egyptian, Roman, Greek you can name them, they all required to be worshiped and honoured and even sacrifices (sometimes even human) had to be made to them. People were killed for not honouring them and they required the fear of those who worshiped them. And now you want to come and judge God and Christians and want Him to be less than simple statues of stone, wood etc. Our God is alive and worthy to be worshiped and indeed needs to be feared by those who mock Him.

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Our God is alive and worthy to be worshiped and indeed needs to be feared by those who mock Him.
feared???? laughing out loud laughing

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Originally posted by finti
or insted of being lost one can accept the way it is now


Yes just like you and be lost.

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Yes just like you and be lost.
less lost than fairy tale believers

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Originally posted by sonnet
It is so great to judge!!! All of the gods whether it was Egyptian, Roman, Greek you can name them, they all required to be worshiped and honoured and even sacrifices (sometimes even human) had to be made to them. People were killed for not honouring them and they required the fear of those who worshiped them. And now you want to come and judge God and Christians and want Him to be less than simple statues of stone, wood etc. Our God is alive and worthy to be worshiped and indeed needs to be feared by those who mock Him.


Hmmm, but that's the whole point, is God supposedly different from Egyptian, Roman etc gods?

And I pass no judgement on God or Christians, but as a reasonable person who thinks I believe there is something to be answered for. I still say that if we must be subject to God's judgement, he should be subject to ours, after all people are fond of saying we are crafted in his image, isn't it our right? And as well, the question is, who judges the Judge?

And I stand by my "I wouldn't demand worship", it seems so arrogant to expect it. Yes, I would make it clear I existed, that I was real, and if people wanted to then good, but I wouldn't punish those who didn't. But then many today don't believe because there is a lack of proof. You see, if he exists he shouldn't expect blind faith, he should be more active, and actually do stuff for his beloved creation. He should earn our eternal belief and faith, not just expect it's his by right.


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well put Imperial

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Originally posted by Imperial_Samura


You see, if he exists he shouldn't expect blind faith, he should be more active, and actually do stuff for his beloved creation. He should earn our eternal belief and faith, not just expect it's his by right.


That's true, and in metaphysics God/It/ or whatever you want to call it does.....It does our bidding....It wants to create with us...

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Hmmm, but that's the whole point, is God supposedly different from Egyptian, Roman etc gods?

And I pass no judgement on God or Christians, but as a reasonable person who thinks I believe there is something to be answered for. I still say that if we must be subject to God's judgement, he should be subject to ours, after all people are fond of saying we are crafted in his image, isn't it our right? And as well, the question is, who judges the Judge?

And I stand by my "I wouldn't demand worship", it seems so arrogant to expect it. Yes, I would make it clear I existed, that I was real, and if people wanted to then good, but I wouldn't punish those who didn't. But then many today don't believe because there is a lack of proof. You see, if he exists he shouldn't expect blind faith, he should be more active, and actually do stuff for his beloved creation. He should earn our eternal belief and faith, not just expect it's his by right.


No God will ever be subject to his creation or their judgement. And God is real, he has made this clear through the whole of His creation. If you are too blind to see that, that is your problem.
And God does wonderful things in the lives of the people who love, respect and believe in him. But you need to believe in him first. And as the Creator he can very well expect anything from us as He pleases.

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God doesn't always do wonderful things for people who belive in him.Look at Job.


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Originally posted by sonnet
No God will ever be subject to his creation or their judgement. And God is real, he has made this clear through the whole of His creation. If you are too blind to see that, that is your problem.
And God does wonderful things in the lives of the people who love, respect and believe in him. But you need to believe in him first. And as the Creator he can very well expect anything from us as He pleases.



Yeah...Look at Job.....That was really cruel don't you think...

And god is not subject to It/His creation.....We are part of God..and God wouldn't hurt himself.....That's masochistic.

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I dont , end of story...


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Originally posted by sonnet
No God will ever be subject to his creation or their judgement. And God is real, he has made this clear through the whole of His creation. If you are too blind to see that, that is your problem.
And God does wonderful things in the lives of the people who love, respect and believe in him. But you need to believe in him first. And as the Creator he can very well expect anything from us as He pleases.


But why shouldn't he be subject to the judgement of his creation. I mean, he is said to love us more then anything, we are his chosen etc. etc., but what, he doesn't believe in our opinion that much eh? Benevolent dictator prone to bouts of cruelty?

And I like to think I am far from blind, but the reason so many people don't believe is because he, if existing, doesn't make himself known, and supposedly when he does it's in abstract ways. He knows the mind of man? So why doesn't he do more to win those minds?


Wonderful things such as? The world isn't a clean, nice place. The Jew's, once again God's Chosen? They have had alot of horror over the years. Christians seem to suffer just as much as others, just lately the local Catholic minister of my town has had to leave to care for his mother who is suffering from one of the more painful, more deadly, more incurable forms of cancer. A woman known in my town as something of a saint, loved by all. So I question whether this nasty disease is one of the "wonderful things" God is doing in the lives of people who love, respect and believe in him.

So I guess that's my thing. I fail to abide by the hypocrisy of it all, God has no right to "expect anything from us as He pleases", he created this all? He was silly enough to give free will, give avenues to evil? Then he needs to be active, understanding and in communication with his creation, and earn his respect.


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why would a so called "LOVING GOD" send us to hell...if he really loved us why would he damn us and destroy us and make us suffer if we chose not to follow him...i mean i'm sure anyone would love to follow something so loving that if we didn't do what they wanted they would make us suffer and kill us...


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"For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have ever lasting life". John 3:16
Its like that. Those that dont love him that choose the world and all its vain things choose the devil, its their choice. How can you choose not to follow your God, your maker, the one and only true loving God?
And one more point, if it wasn't for the great everlasting love God has for us, he would have destroyed us all long ago (out of anger) because of our stubborness and disobedience.
"But his anger is but a moment and his love endures for ever.."
The Holy Bible.
But he has said it, that he would send those that dont believe in him to hell, and He will do it.
"For the whole earth and the world with it can pass away, but not one of His word can come back void to him"
Meaning everything He says he shall do.
"Has he not said it and will he not do it?"
The Holy Bible.


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And one more point, if it wasn't for the great everlasting love God has for us, he would have destroyed us all long ago (out of anger) because of our stubborness and disobedience
according to the bible he tried this , but its been more or lees all quiet on the western front from that side since that "event"

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Originally posted by AdventChild
why would a so called "LOVING GOD" send us to hell...if he really loved us why would he damn us and destroy us and make us suffer if we chose not to follow him...i mean i'm sure anyone would love to follow something so loving that if we didn't do what they wanted they would make us suffer and kill us...


Like I said He's the Great "I Yam"....he's just inviting us to dinner, not hell...

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Re: Who believes in God?

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Originally posted by Jodo kast
I just can't believe that people in a time like this still believe in God.Come on people, ever heard of the evolution theory?


Yes I have, but it is just that... A THEROY! and by the way Look at the human brain do you think that something that complex could have happened by accident, because that is what evolution says we are, an accident.


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