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shaber
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 Cyberdine
Was the Cyberdyne timeline supposed to be a red herring? Its erasure would mean that John Connor's father would not after all have gone back in time...
So that leaves a hole... how can the original guardian impregnate miss Connor if he doesn't go back to ward off Schwartznegger? 
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shaber
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 The global super-virus which necessitated Skynet...
Where did the supervirus of T3 come from? It is never explained! 
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Dec 10th, 2003 03:24 AM |
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crAZRick
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It's like you say, every time the time-line is altered, the future tech speeds up, technology advances at a more rapid rate from left over future-tech in the past, and greedy, evil corporations like Cyberdine using the technology for weapons... as real-life technology advanced into the age of the internet, with millions of computers around the world all linked together by a 'common' link, the WWW, it was easy for super-computer SkyNet to infect the whole matrix with it's own virus, knowing that eventually it's creators would unleash SkyNet to take control, trace and kill the virus...
simple stuff, really...
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Dec 10th, 2003 03:52 AM |
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crAZRick
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Cyberdine's destruction and the left-over arm (caught in that huge gear wheel) and guts left over from T-800s chestal cavity( things that spilled out after T-1000 stabbed him thru with that metal pipe and deactivated him... probably even his 'heart' which would now be studied and re-engineered into a 'fusion-reactor (or 2) for future T-800 models), and the amazing and strange complex make-up of that batch of molten metal (the original metal, altered by the additives of the T-1000 liquid metal poly-mnemetic alloy as well as the futuristic metal from the T-800 chassis), when it was finally used the next morning to make steel, then that steel was analyzed and found to be more sturdy and yet flexible and moldable than any other man-made alloy or compound in history... all those leftovers inspired the government to contract out that steel forge/factory, and to cover-up the Cyberdine destruction, to take Cyberdine covert, hide the whole incident behind a 'GRAND RE-OPENING--- Under New Management' celebration/remodel story, paving the way for CRS to be born, and the invention and introduction of a SkyNet even more powerful than the one described by Reese in T1, and again by T-800 in T2...
as far as Reese impregnating Sarah...
Because John Connor had to be born and live out the original time-line before Kyle was sent back, John's original father WAS NOT Kyle. Or, to further confuse and confound non-believers, while making further sense out of the events of T3, perhaps, due to the law of Chaos, the John Connor of T3 was in fact, not Kyle Reese's son at all! Maybe Nick Stahl as John Connor was really 'mystery date guy's son, brought up and trained as the 'great military leader' even though he didn't have it in him to become that guy... weird because Nick Stahl looks more like Kyle than Edward Furlong does Eddie doesn't look much like Sarah either, so technically I guess Edward Furlong's John Connor should be the 'mystery date's son...
any way, the point I was originally trying to make, which no longer sounds good since I think Nick Stahl's John IS Kyle Reese's son/doppleganger, is: After the conclusion of T2, maybe the history of things past changed, and Kyle didn't impregnate Sarah, which explains why John of T3 is a sissy girl wuss who looks like Kyle, but doesn't act the 'great military leader' role too well, because he's not Kyle's son any more, all because the Cyberdine story played out and altered the history of things to come some, which therefore altered the history of things past as well as the history of things in the now... or maybe the history of things past changed and Kyle did impregnate Sarah, which led to the Nick-Stahl look... get it? It's all because of the Cyberdine story, red herring that it was, though at the time it happened it WASN'T, that T3 happened how it did.
Judgement day was inevitable, SkyNet was destined to be constructed and to be the superest super computer ever made. The original time line had John being born as 'mystery date's son, probably still growing up a geek, being a hacker nerd type, or something... meeting Katherine at Mike Cripkey's basement, kissing, liking her, falling in love, meeting her father, getting married, going to Mexico for the honeymoon, SkyNet is born, rages and takes over, John and Kate hang out hide out with Mexican, Central and South American rebels, form a resistance, and fight back... General Brewster still exists, Katherine, Sarah, John... everyone from T1 and T2 lead slightly altered lives, but Judgement Day does occur, the Resistance does rise, and the past and future become altered once the TDE is brought online...
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Dec 10th, 2003 07:52 AM |
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crAZRick
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Yah... like in my theory that the TDE is really part of the Predator spacecraft, so Dutch (Arnold from Predator) and Mike Harrigan (Danny Glover from Predator 2) and T-850 (Arnold from T2 & 3) have to go back in time to the 1800s to stop Future Humans First Contact with their past-ancestral selves, and to destroy the Predators and both spacecraft TDEs before they can be used to inspire the future full of machines...
Schwarzenegger, Glover, Pesci, The Rock as T-RK3000, and Chris Rock as T-Doggy-Dogg69... and Christoper Walken and Malcolm Macdowell as the Evil Wachowski brothers, who steal the TDE from the future, intent on changing the past, so that one day, machines will rule and use people as their fuel... Terminator 4, 5, 6 and 7: Reloaded Revolutions Parts 1,2,3 and 4
Only in theaters, July, 2032
   
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Dec 10th, 2003 08:04 AM |
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shaber
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Yes, I did think that the John Connor of T3 was a wuss compared to the John Connor of T2.
I suppose that the best way to look at the timelines is as a story which will be written whatever and when the earlier chapters are altered, the later ones can still come about.
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Dec 10th, 2003 04:46 PM |
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i dont get it why does the virus only come when skynet is turned on?
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Dec 27th, 2003 10:49 AM |
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shaber
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the virus was online already before Skynet was fully activated.
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Dec 28th, 2003 09:03 PM |
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I don`t think it was around before Skynet existed. I think Skynet either created it, or it was just a part of Skynet acting like a virus.
Skynet was locked up, it needed a way to get humans to let it free. A computer virus that only it can stop does nicely.
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Jan 1st, 2004 11:16 PM |
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crAZRick
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part of SkyNet, acting as a virus.. hmmmm... 
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Jan 4th, 2004 04:30 AM |
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Writer86
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Like John Conner says: "Skynet is the virus!" Skynet was already self-aware by the time General Brewster brought it on-line. Skynet knew that if it started a global super-virus that it would be fully activated sooner as a buffer against it. Little did the people know that Skynet was the problem in the first place.
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Jan 7th, 2004 01:20 AM |
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Ahnold
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It was the virus, yes... but according to Arnie it only became self-aware when General Brewster activated it...
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Feb 4th, 2004 08:08 PM |
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Mighty Yoda
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Then why could arnie not deactivate it because he is one of them. Surly he has files on how to stop it.
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Feb 5th, 2004 12:32 PM |
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Ahnold
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But as John Connor says at the end of T3, skynet can't be deactivated! It had already spread throughout the global computer network - even before General Brewster pushed "the button"...
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Feb 5th, 2004 06:02 PM |
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Mighty Yoda
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It might have done. But i doubt it had the lauch codes until it was fully activated.
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Feb 6th, 2004 10:06 AM |
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Ahnold
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Hold on a sec - what I think it means is that Skynet was active but not self-aware before General Brewster pushed "The Button" - I don't believe that it COULD have launched the missiles before that happened.
But this really depends on another question - did Skynet willingly take on the form of a virus, or did the techs just read things that way? If it was deliberate, then that means it was self-aware. Hang on...
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Feb 6th, 2004 06:21 PM |
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Mighty Yoda
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So why at the are the computers inside Crystal Peak not infected when John and Kate get down there.
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Feb 9th, 2004 12:21 PM |
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Ahnold
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Maybe cos they're outdated, and so incompatible with modern systems? Oh, and I don't think they were even switched on...
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