Urzien even if you got rid of religon people would still be killing each other. Religon is just a popular tool that is used to oppress people, but some religons are worse than others. If you get rid of religon people will just find something else
Communism is not a religon is it? You know what communists have done to people dont you.
Ok, you're right. It's personal thing.
I am upset because a lot of people see violance in Islam and Qur'an and for now on noone of them was able to explain to me why it is violant.
I don't know about violence in the Qur'an, but as far as the idea of Islam being violent goes, I might be able to explain that. Basically the extremist elements of Islam, the Bin Ladens and the pres of Iran, etc. get more air time in the media. There isn't a big push by the more moderate muslims to denounce them, at least not one that's visible to the majority of non-muslims in the world. The end result is that when the world at large thinks of the generalized, stereotypical muslim the image is a Bin Laden type figure, or Hamas and Hezbollah. It's about PR, Islam is losing as much in the west as the West is losing in the mid-east.
As far as the Qur'an and violence goes, did you check out the faithfreedom.org link that was given earlier? It is definitely anti-islamic, but it does so in a much more respectful manner than did JIA's horrendous comics.
ok to explain SIMPLY the violence in islam/quran. tell me this. did binladen or saddam hussain break any ISLAMIC law or rule? answer NO, in the ISLAMIC sense they are COMPLETELY right. u can verify this if you actually KNOW as much about islam as u claim to know.
ill tell u this, i was a hafiz once nearly memorized half of the quran completely. nmot to mention islamiat studied being systematically stuffed into your head since school starts. with a little help form constant visit by ALIMS. if any1 doesnt know about islam its you. seeing as ur still FOLLOWING IT.
You see, when it comes to judging Islam people usually take some certain people as an example and it's wrong. You can't say that religion is violant because Bin Laden is. There are a lot of crazy maniacs of all religions but when you see them on the news it's never said anything about their religion because it has nothing to do with what they did. But when it's muslim they always say islamic killer or islamic thief as if his religion is the reason of him being bad. I checked that site and admitt it is a huge step forward comparing to comix JIA posted but still it doesn't shows religion in common. It takes small quotes about killing nonbelievers but does not mention that in the Surah before it's said about striking back, that if you are attacked by them, you must respone. And it's about defense or about spreading religion (and not by force) If you wanna find out if Islam is about violance or not simply read Qur'an. Almost in all surahs it's said that charity is very important and that you mustn't be greedy, that Allah is forgivable if you turn to the right way, that you mustn't offend and you wont be offend in respone. But unfortunatly majority prefers to believe stereotypes.
how would people here feal if i said ive met binladen in real life. not to mention know people who have PHOTOGRAPHS with him and could in the taliban era talk to him directly to let merchandise{not drugs if thats what ur thinkin lol} in n out of afghanistan. trust me when i say that he isnt crazy at ALL. mild mannered, shows great hospitality etc. hes just a man following ISLAM in the real sense as it SHOULD be followed. taking him as an example of ISLAM is not wrong at all. he is NOT AN EXTREMIST! islam is an EXTREME RELEGION n people who say otherwise dont know what the heck they are talkin about.
hadith/shariah is QUITE clear on what the government should do when a faction of people rebels. go look at the jewish history in madinah in time of the prophet or the tribes which turned away from islam after the prophet's death and look at what the sahabah and the TRUE caliphs{proclaimed by the prophet's own mouth} did to them, their families and their children.
Sorry, but YOU do not know what the heck you are talking about. You take Sadam as an example of good muslim and you believe that he is. If you really think he follows islam and islam tells him to do what he did then you know nothing about islam. Islam is NOT extreme religion only because sadam is crazy f@#k, neither christianity is an extreme religion because of Chkatilo and others. Lame logic.
both christianity and islam are extreme if followed as their followers are TOLD by the relegion itself. look back at ur post. see if u made any valid argument other than simply dismissing what i say.
the only authority able to judge a MUSLIM is the quran, NOT you. and according to the quran/sunna/shariah. they have done nothing wrong. and actions ar judged by intention. so only allah can be the ultimate authority. im surprised by how many people there are who think certain people who the west labels as extremists are always NOT following islam the right way instead of looking at the relegion. just shows u how no1 is willing to blame the relegion and rather revert to blaming individuals.
Exactly, according to the Qur'an ONLY, and since you like saying that so much would you please tell me WHAT exactly Sadam did good according to Qur'an when he was killing civilians for not agreeing with him?
I'll tell you. According to Qur'an NOTHIN. Try reading it before judging what it aproves and what not.
i already explained in complete detail. the most sever measures were taken by the prophet and his BLESSED caliphates when dealing with any and all rebellions. read a lil history. saddam was merely putting down rebellions in his country. the ideology of the rebellion is of no consequence as long as they werent pro islamic in spirit. question answered case closed.
You're right. Racism and Sexism are not born of religion, but ARE strengthened through religion.
So your religion is working for you ! Thats GREAT !
You claim your religion is working for all Muslims....
How sadly delusional...so WAR is the intent of Islam ? Centuries of back and forth slaughter and the destruction of the Twin Towers are the goals of Islam ? I guess if the INTENT of Islam is Hatred, Destruction, and Disunity, then yeah..it must be working.
If the intent is Love or Unity, then its poorly failing.
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