Mace practices Vapaad, a form of Jedi, if you can call it that, that "borders" on teh dark side. You will notice through the PT that Mace is particulalry blunt and ruthless with his prey (cf. chopping of Boba Fett's head in a very "un-Jedi" way, and his angry expression when duelling with Sidious).
I believe that to defeat a Sith, you must take a darker disposition into the battle. This can be confirmed in ROTJ with Luke's ascendency over Vader after Vader threathened to turn Leia to the dark side. Once Luke's anger was aroused, he ventured dangeroulsy close to the dark side and gained a clear advantage over Vader.
So, Mace's practice of Vapaad gives him darker, more superior powers without the "trap" of turning to the dark side himself. And this, alone, I believe, is teh reason why he was able to (almost ) defeat Sidious. He didn't count on "lover boy" to come along and spoil the party...
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Told you. Just to disspell that Sidious "played" with Mace:
Lets see this. Mace practices Vapaad, a form of Jedi, if you can call it that, that "borders" on teh dark side.
Ha, ha, ha! Come on, you can do better. Vaapad is fake. According to Nick Gillard, who created lightsaber fighting, there is no such thing as Vaapad or the seven forms of lightsaber combat. chopping of Boba Fett's head in a very "un-Jedi" way, and his angry expression when duelling with Sidious).
Ha, ha, ha! Dude, I don't think you should be here if you don't know that it was Jangi's head Mace cut off. Mace cut it off because it was the only way to stop Jango, which he had to do. Same with Sidious. I believe that to defeat a Sith, you must take a darker disposition into the battle. This can be confirmed in ROTJ with Luke's ascendency over Vader after Vader threathened to turn Leia to the dark side.
No, Anakin killed Sidious without using the DS, when Obi-Wan killed Maul it wasn't using the DS. And this, alone, I believe, is teh reason why he was able to (almost wink) defeat Sidious.
1. Vaapad is fake
2. Even if it was real that doesn't mean he won
3. Lets just pretend Vaapad is real for a second. Who's to say Sidious doesn't fight with Vaapad?
Actually cutting off someone's head is sort of against the Jedi policy. How was it the only way to stop Jango Fett he is only human?
As for Vaapad, how did Nick Gilliard create lightsaber fighting? I don't know who he is and am curious how he recreated basic sword fighting. That's all it seems to me if it doesn't have fighting styles.
As for Sidious fighting with Vaapad, from his two fight scenes it didn't seem like much Vaapad to me.
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I got a nice situation here for you.
Mace was playing with Sidious. Wanna know why? They are both actors, and wanna know something else incredibly weird? Samuel Jackson could kick Ian Mcdiarmids ass in real life! So i guess Sam was playin' with Ian, right?
Anyways, Sidious faked nothing. He said nothing about faking it during the movie, and as i said before the books wont matter if there is an episode 7.
Cutting Jangos head was the only way to stop Jango? I think not. If the Jedi are so peace keeping, why didn't they take any other action to stop him? Oh wait, they couldn't. Because the Jedi suck at trapping.
And i'm sure Sidious saw himself dying to Vader. That is a load of crap if i ever read it! Sidious was planning to kill Luke and rule the Galaxy with Vader. Don't try to tell me he foresaw dying in a generator. That's crap. Sidious was having too much fun frying Luke to foresee anything, including his death.
I know i don't usually agree with Darthsith19, but Vapaad is damn fake! Mr. Gillard confirms this.
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The Emperor fosaw Luke destroying him....so he figured if Luke was that strong maybe he can turn him....what he realized too late was that Skywalker would destroy him..Anakin
It doesn't really matter. In Dark Empire Luke goes to the dark side and Palpatine brings him over. Then Luke comes back and kills him. What's with everyone losing their hand?
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So... Who destroys Palpatine? Um... DARTH VADER you monkey!
Vader: Yo, son, The emperor has forseen that you be killin his ass.
Luke: Ok... but i foresee that you gonna do it. I saw ROTJ!
Vader: Rotj?
Luke: Nevermind...
Emperor: We have a new enemy! He could destroy us!
Vader: You mean mah boy?
Emperor: Yes... why?
Vader: Oh... Im the one who bench presses you.
Emperor: Eh?
Vader: Nothing.
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The Emperor fosaw Luke destroying him....so he figured if Luke was that strong maybe he can turn him....what he realized too late was that Skywalker would destroy him..Anakin
i must agree with lordsorgo that palps didnt forsee that luke would have destroyed him because if he would had he would have killed luke much faster in rotj
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I think that Palpatine foresaw him turning Luke. He was seeing the Dark Empire shit. What he didn't see was Vader bench pressing him and that was his biggest mistake.
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It is in print and in the movie that The Epmperor has forseen his destruction from Luke. Sooo, what do Sith usually do when they encounter a Jedi that might be more powerful than them? They try to recruit them to rule the galaxy....so just like he did with Anakin and Dooku, he had vader and Luke face off for the spot as his apprentice and 2nd ruler of the galaxy.
Actually cutting off someone's head is sort of against the Jedi policy.
It is against the Jedi Code to kill an unarmed / defenseless opponent. In other words it was wrong for Anakin to Kill Tyranus. When Kenobi killed Maul Maul had a lightsaber. When he killed Grievous Grievous had a droid lightsaber repelling staff, when Mace was about to kill Sidious Sidious still had lightning and posed a threat. Jango still had a jetpack which he was trying to use when his head got cut off, a flsmethrower, saber darts, a grappling hook, sharp metal things that project out of the arms of his armor plus more. it wasn't against the policy to kill him. How was it the only way to stop Jango Fett he is only human?
I didn't mean cutting off his head was the only way to stop him but to kill him was the only way to stop him. Jango wasn't going to give up. What did you expect Mace to do, stand there and let Jango kill him? As for Vaapad, how did Nick Gilliard create lightsaber fighting?
He's the guy who trained all the actors to use lightsabers. Lucas created the lightsaber and the style, but Nick Gillard was the one in charge of creating the actual fighting for the movies. Check this thread out: (okay, this site won't let me post web site's here yet. lets see. Allright, no links. Never mind, I failed again. I will try again in my next relply, comign up shortly.
Search the page for the word Nick. it will be the third time the name Nick's mentioned. As for Sidious fighting with Vaapad, from his two fight scenes it didn't seem like much Vaapad to me.
How would you know? Do you happen to know Vaapad? All right, lets say Vaapad is official. Lets say there really are different forms of lightsaber combat. Who's to say Sidious didn't invent one even stronger than Vaapad? Mace was playing with Sidious. Wanna know why? They are both actors, and wanna know something else incredibly weird? Samuel Jackson could kick Ian Mcdiarmids ass in real life! So i guess Sam was playin' with Ian, right?
1. Do you have any proof at all that in real life Jackson could beat McDirmand in a fight or are you just assuming he could?
2. They both received lightsaber training from Nick Gillard (NG). Judging from how well McDirmand fought in the Yoda duel he was not being played by Jackson in Palpatine's Office.
3. But it doesn't matter how strong the actors are. Are you saying Darth Maul's the strongest character in Star Wars just because Ray Park could take on any other actor? He said nothing about faking it during the movie
Why and when would he say something about it? and as i said before the books wont matter if there is an episode 7. Why will books not matter if EP. 7 is made? If the Jedi are so peace keeping, why didn't they take any other action to stop him?
Like what? Mace's life was in grave danger. All he could do was finish Jango A.S.A.P. before he got killed by a swarm of droids. And i'm sure Sidious saw himself dying to Vader. That is a load of crap if i ever read it!
Did you watch ESB? Sidious feared Luke. Did you watch AOTC? "I see you becomeing the strongest of all the Jedi, Anakin. Even stronger than Master Yoda." Palpatine knew Anakin was the Chosen One and knew the Chosen One's destiny was to bring balance to the Force. That's why he wanted to have Anakin become a Sith ever since TPM.
i must agree with lordsorgo that palps didnt forsee that luke would have destroyed him because if he would had he would have killed luke much faster in rotj
This is settled. Palpatine foresaw Luke destroying him. There is no dvidence on screen that he foresaw Anakin killing him. But he didn know Anakin was the one who would bring balance to the Force. He should have been more weary of him. That was his mistake. Maybe after he foresaw Luke killing him he either thought
A. Luke was the Chosen One, not Anakin
B. The Prophecy was wrong
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The Prophecy is wrong? My friend, Palpatine was wrong as well. Why do you have to find any means to slink yourself around the truth? Palps saw Luke destroying him, and he was wrong. That's just it.
Samuel VS Ian.
Come on, buddy. Samuel is pretty built and Ian is a frail old man. It may be an assumption, but saying that Ian would win in a scrap is friggin ridiculous.
According to you and some others, Palpatine foresaw Anakin coming and he was faking himself being cornered. He didn't mention any of this to Anakin.
EXample: "I knew you would come"
Lucas had a live interview with ET and the host asked him about episode 7, and Lucas states "If i were to make Episode seven, which i doubt will be directed by me, the movie is not going to follow the guidelines of the books about the aftermath of Return of the Jedi".
The books are gonna mean squat, my friend.
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The Prophecy is wrong? My friend, Palpatine was wrong as well. Why do you have to find any means to slink yourself around the truth? Palps saw Luke destroying him, and he was wrong. That's just it.
I am not trying to slink myself around the truth. You really need to have another look at my reply. I said the simple truth - he foresaw Luke destroying him. Obviously, if you watch ROTJ, he was wrong. I said there is no on screen evidence that he ever foresaw Anakin killing him, which is true, you agree? Then I said he knew Anakin was the Chosen One. That means Anakin would have to kill him and he knows it. So if he foresaw Luke killing him (which Luke didn't) then must have either thought Luke was the real Chosen One or the Prophecy is wrong. ROTJ proves his Luke would kill him vision was wrong. Come on, buddy. Samuel is pretty built and Ian is a frail old man. It may be an assumption, but saying that Ian would win in a scrap is friggin ridiculous.
For all we know Ian is a ninjitsu master. Assume nothing. And who gives a **** how strong the actors! Are you saying Chewbacca could defeat Sidious?! It doesn'
t friggin matter how strong the actors are, all that matters is how strong the characters are! According to you and some others, Palpatine foresaw Anakin coming and he was faking himself being cornered. He didn't mention any of this to Anakin.
EXample: "I knew you would come"
Get your head out of your ass and go see the movie again. For one thing even without his lightsaber Sidious could stop Mace's lightsaber with lightning. Next, why thge **** would he say anything about deliberately letting Mace appear to have defeated him to Anakin or anybody else for that matter? It would serve no purpose. Just an extra, unneeded line. If i were to make Episode seven, which i doubt will be directed by me, the movie is not going to follow the guidelines of the books about the aftermath of Return of the Jedi
But movie noevls will still count. None of the other books ever counted with the exception of the novels and visual dictionaries and other books about the movies and Labrinth of Evil, which was not entirely canon.
) defeat Sidious. He didn't count on "lover boy" to come along and spoil the party...
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