excuse me but when Metallica dislikes something, they change it they dont wine about it!
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Metallica aren't to blame for a majority of the lazy ****s out there not bothering to buy music. If Tool released the best album ever and it had pathetic sales...yeeeeeet lots of people had it, would it equal bad music? Or would it equal lazy scum****s downloading it? Yes exactly. Your grudge aside, music that doesn't appeal to you is no excuse to download it and continually piss and moan about it like an impotent jerk.
How utterly ridiculous. The CD sold extremely well. That's besides the point. The point I'm trying to make is that downloading albums without supporting the band, regardless of who it is, is wrong. It's even worse if you download the album, hate it (yet inexplicably listen to it) and continue whining.
The Napster thing isn't some theoretical escape plan. Do you even know what Napster was about? Or what even happened? Some songs were leaked and everybody rushed to get them. No complaints. The reason Metallica fought was because they believed, rightly so, that it was bullshit how their music was put up for distribution without them having any kind of say in it. They are all for the music distribution on the net, they just wanted to be asked for permission first. Nothing wrong with that. "We want you to ask us before you, you know, take our music for free." "Who do you think you are?" Yeah, ridiculous when you break it down. Their music is no one elses to give but theirs.
A) I dunno where you're getting this, coz it went number 1 in many countries.
B) Those artists were the Britney's and Justin's who have countless fans who obsess over owning ever piece of media released. In many cases the music couldn't be any less important to them.
C) Yeah, shit music will always sell too. Because there'll always be idiots.
Well firstly, you clearly got the Napster debate overly confused, they weren't "whining" about anything to do with album sales.
Second, they're not though are they? If people are stealing from them, they're not getting paid. They never fought Napster to boost record sales anyway, they fought because their music got leaked against their will and they wasn't ready for that to happen.
"Metallica aren't to blame for a majority of the lazy ****s out there not bothering to buy music. If Tool released the best album ever and it had pathetic sales...yeeeeeet lots of people had it, would it equal bad music? Or would it equal lazy scum****s downloading it? Yes exactly. Your grudge aside, music that doesn't appeal to you is no excuse to download it and continually piss and moan about it like an impotent jerk."
Metallica aren't to blame for people downloading their music, they ARE responsible for people not buying their music, though. There is a difference.
"The Napster thing isn't some theoretical escape plan. Do you even know what Napster was about? Or what even happened? Some songs were leaked and everybody rushed to get them. No complaints. The reason Metallica fought was because they believed, rightly so, that it was bullshit how their music was put up for distribution without them having any kind of say in it. They are all for the music distribution on the net, they just wanted to be asked for permission first. Nothing wrong with that. "We want you to ask us before you, you know, take our music for free." "Who do you think you are?" Yeah, ridiculous when you break it down. Their music is no one elses to give but theirs."
Then how did it get leaked? And how was it the fault of napster that their music was leaked before they were prepared. It's the fault of the actual person who took the music and put it up before metallica gave thier ok, it's still stupid that they bitched ABOUT napster, rather then about a person leaking their music, who happened to use napster to distribute it.
"The point I'm trying to make is that downloading albums without supporting the band, regardless of who it is, is wrong. It's even worse if you download the album, hate it (yet inexplicably listen to it) and continue whining."
Loads of people don't buy Tool music. Tool are responsible for that, does it make them shit? No. A Britney fan could say "If Tool didn't make such shit music, I'd buy their albums."
Napster were a professional site. They should have not taken it from some lone guy without thinking and plastered it on the net. They admitted they were wrong. The person couldn't have used Napster to distribute it if Napster did the right thing and chose not to.
"Loads of people don't buy Tool music. Tool are responsible for that, does it make them shit? No. A Britney fan could say "If Tool didn't make such shit music, I'd buy their albums.""
Nah, because tools music is good, unique, and refreshing, Metallicas is now shitty, redundant and boring. Someone needs to bring on the sandman and put their spiralling career to sleep.
Napster was professional at the time? News to me.
Too be honest I don't remember much about it, never really cared about it at the time. I just remember lars cunting off about napster in an annoying and bitchy manner, left a bad taste in my mouth hearing his annoying voice whining like that. Just something about a rockstar bitching like a little girl, no matter what it's about, was pathetic. One of the main reasons I don't like metallica, other then their craptastic music.
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Yeah but in the Britney fan's opinion, Tool's music is shitty, hence why she isn't buying it. Tool are responsible for that. It doesn't mean their music is shit. Your opinion is that Metallica is shitty, they're responsible for you thinking that. It doesn't mean their music is shit.
Yeah. I like to let my personal feelings block actuality and rationale too.
"Yeah but in the Britney fan's opinion, Tool's music is shitty, hence why she isn't buying it. Tool are responsible for that. It doesn't mean their music is shit. Your opinion is that Metallica is shitty, they're responsible for you thinking that. It doesn't mean their music is shit."
As far as I'm concerned, it does. Britney fans have no validity because they like britney spears, seeing as I like good music from bands that have some skill, and something unique about them, I do. Plus, who listens to britney spear fans?
"Yeah. I like to let my personal feelings block actuality and rationale too.
Oh wait, no I don't."
Yeah, neither do I, never said any irrational. My whole argument is that metallica is whiney pussies who make shitty music, you disproved none of that, all you proved is that their bitching and whining was just, which I never denied, the fact is, they still bitched and whined, their music is still generic and no longer carry anything significantly different in the genre. all they do now is play generic metal, if they weren't "metallica" no one would buy their shit. They're a name, nothing more.
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Well yeah, obviously you have a credible music opinion. Never questioned that. I'm saying that on the subject of a band like Metallica, it's not exactly clean and jerk when it comes to Shit/Good. Because I like St. Anger, you don't.
Well I can't disprove that you think they make shitty music, you do and that's that. I don't.
Secondly, this isn't the thread for that arguement. Like I said, letting your personal feelings toward the band block you from topic.
If that last line wasn't a vastly generalised opinion, I'd swear you were trying to claim it as fact.
This thread is a comparison between Metallica vs megadeth, in fact, we've been off topic for the duration of our little discussion, both you and I, saying my feelings about metallica is completely on topic, because putting down metallica and not megadeth shows how I feel about the topic.
music has changed since then, so have metallica, if produce albums exactly the same as Master of Puppets for the rest of their career then you would consider them outdated..
Maybe, but megadeth has dave mustaine singing for them, that's not a good thing. Explain to me how metallica are sellouts and megadeth arent. Then why shouldn't the sellouts megadeth be in hell? Uh, the original singer for metallica is still in the band. Is that a joke? You do know metallica released TWO albums before megadeth even released ONE, right? I wonder exactly how megadeth caused metallica to be the biggest metal band ever. By your logic, if megadeth caused metallica's success, shouldn't megadeth be bigger?
Really? Because the only difference is mecanix is faster and the leads are sloppier....not exactly supporting your argument that megadeth are better musicians.
Foolish child. His DOES stand, no matter how much more detail you put into your OPINION. He didn't have to break everything down to give an opinion, and his is just as valid as yours.
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People are too lazy to return a cd but not lazy enough to just keep the free music and not buy the cd?
For a while now there have been little stations at the music stores where you can sample music before you buy. And some artists have streaming listening parties for their new cds.
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To be brutally honest, I download music because I dont have 15 quid to spend on something I can get for free from Limewire, I dont see the point.
Doesnt really boil down to the bands, all boils down to how expensive the record companies make everything IMO.
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