Hahaha. Possibly the most laughable comment ever. They're mediocre, nothing amazing about them at all. They're not doing anything Muse didn't do, better.
I don't give two waste nuggets whether you change your mind or not. Not trying to change your mind, don't want you to change your mind. Fact is, Bloc Party are just another run of the mill, dime a dozen, doing the same old thing band for NME to buff up and overhype. Nothing more, nothing less.
Their riffs are plain (not to mention recycled and boring), the drums are the most boring thing I've ever heard since Brian Chase of the Yeah Yeah Yeah's, the vocals sound painfully awkward.
They're just trying too hard to be something that they are not and will never be. A good band.
You're making it too easy for me Jaden.
Oh and surely you're capable of using the brain you appear to have, to condense 6 lines into one post. Not two mini posts. It doesn't make you look good you know.
While we're at it, I said this before to the Megadeth fan. You can't try to rip off my pound and tear debate style. It only works with me coz I'm just that good at it. You can't CLAIM fact if you have none, do you see how that works? Or do I need a chalkboard and a ruler?
you are showing your ignorance again AC...given that i listen to the music then i showed know if bloc party sound run of the mill...and the fact is...they dont
if i get desperate enough that i have to rip off your "pound and tear debate style" then i'll know all hope is lost...especially if i use it to "tear and pound" 14 year old girls in the simple plan threads in order to give myself a much needed ego boost
"Their riffs are plain (not to mention recycled and boring)"
the staple of metal music for 20 years...plain and boring riffs...power chords...how original
now you can go back to hanging around your local virgin megastore and out staring old women with your intimidating metal madness
There's that "fact is" thing again. I don't judge without hearing, I've heard the album. So as long as I can say, yes.....they are run of the mill, you can't claim it as fact. Fact. They are run of the mill. Prove me wrong to the point that I cannot deny it....go on. You can't.
Tsk tsk. I don't do it for that reason, I don't even use it on them. They like a shit band, I say it's shit. They try to be snappy, I make fools of them. It's simple really. You can't side with me in those threads and then try to turn it around when you're getting it handed to you.
Resorting to insults Jaden? You disappoint me. Didn't you say "I listen to the music so I can say they're not run of the mill, fact"? Pretty much? More or less, yes you did. I'm gonna flip the script on you.
Being that I listen to Metal, I can say that you're wrong. Now what? What? You've got nothing. Actually nothing. FACT is, you ARE wrong there. There's more to prove Bloc Party are mediocre than you have on that one claim. To say everything in 20 years has been the same just shows how little you know about music.
Try again son. Or accept that you'll be number 2 as long as I'm here.
It's as good as fact that I don't listen to "pish" music. Second, despite not having listened to the same music as I, you deduced it's pish? Maybe you're just not smart enough to get music that isn't pretentious BS. Run out of things to say? Ok. I'll finish you off painlessly then.
Awwww, look at the kid. He's resorted to the "Despite making a complete and utter ass out of myself I'll just be safe in the knowledge that I think I am factually correct" technique. That's really nice and everything. Glad you have such faith in yourself champ, remember, it's all about dreams. Sorry that I had to smash yours but you know, had to be taken down a notch. You can't be me but you can try, I'm flattered.
Authorities of music? There are none. FACT. People with expert opinions are still just opinions. Funnily enough, real credible music magazines always rate the bands I love, very highly.
BBC are an authority eh? Why? Because they like Bloc Party? NME like Bloc Party, they are a more credible music source than the BBC. The NME also like The Libertines, The Bravery and Razorlight....and Keane....and Coldplay and nameless other boring, no sound, no melody bands.
The BBC gave Jonny Greenwood (yes the guy from Radiohead) complete charge of their orchestra........I wonder when they'll do that to Bloc Party or one of those bands.
Pssst....Jaden......the answer is they won't. Because those bands are shit .
and people with non expert opinions like you (and me as well) only have opinions as well...
im glad you finally pointed that out to yourself...maybe now you can move on with your life
WOW...you've just described your debating technique in every single thread you have ever dared to post in...
one minute you say that the bbc arent an authority on music...then you say they appoint the guy from radiohead to run their orchestra...so does that mean they know about music or not?...
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I always bear in mind that, as long as it's not some undeniably shit band, it's my opinion. Some opinions are more valid than others and while we're there, don't put your musical opinion on par with mine. You like the Scissor Sisters and Bloc Party. I think we're done here.
No because I actually use fact wherever possible. If someone likes a band I think are shit....for example: Df02 likes Alexisonfire, right? I think they are shit. It's my opinion though. If someone likes Simple Plan, they are shit. No debating.
Where does me pointing out something they did insinuate that they are an authority on music? It doesn't, nor was that what I implied. I was using what you said against you, rather effectively. You acted as though the British Broadcasting Corporation (yes, comedic isn't it) have some factual authority over music, they don't. You claimed that the bands I like are pish, I was showing you that BBC rate one of the bands I love, way higher than the band you call magnificent. So....2+2.....either way, as I said. Bloc Party and Scissor Sisters against Tool and Rage, yep. Zip it rookie.
More to the point, how can all the bands I like be pish when you've either A) Never heard em or B) Agreed that they're great. Eg: Zeppelin.
You're not doing any good Jade, you're just not on my level man. Maybe if you step your game up, you can have a pop at Shaggy.
does this mean it now has more to do with the person who likes the band rather than the band themselves that helps you decide if they are shit for real or shit just in your opinion...thats sounds like arse licking to me
why is that...because he gave the guy a job...woopdee doo...
seem to fo doing a pretty good job of keeping you wound up...
...rage are good...tool...aren't...and before you retort with your predictable comeback...yes..i have heard them...and yes...they are pish
Not at all. I've openly told Df02 and Deathblow for that matter, my thoughts on Emo/Screamo and the bands contained therein. The fact that they like alot better bands than those, is why I have a respect for their musical opinion. If someone likes 3 good bands to 1 shit band, I can put it down to varying opinion
Someone who likes Simple Plan, Brand New, Something Corporate, The Used and Taking Back Sunday just have an extremely shit musical opinion.
No, because the let the man take and use their orchestra based on the talent of him and the band he is a member of. When's it gonna happen to Bloc Party? It's not is it. What about Scissor Sisters? Nah.
Don't flatter yourself Jade, you couldn't wind me up. Don't confuse the fact that I'm replying to you either.
Rage aren't "good". They're phenomenal. Saying Tool aren't good just shows how very little you know about music. As with Opeth, even people who don't like them acknowledge how astounding they are on their instruments, as with Rush also. Silent Alarm isn't a grower, you can listen to it once and then listen to it again and get nothing more out of it. Listening to a couple of Tool albums a few times isn't gonna do anything. You lack the musical intellect and depth perception to even appreciate Tool, that my friend, IS a fact.
Come on, do better than that. Haha, I'm actually too good for my own good sometimes. Although I'll admit you're not making it hard.
your posts are like car wrecks AC..you know you shouldn't look...but you just cant help it
i like the fact that you have simply repeated yourself for the last 2 pages
"You lack the musical intellect and depth perception to even appreciate Tool,"
there is nothing to appreciate...its crap...thats the way it is
there is a reason that metal bands dont get acknowledged...its not cause people dont have the intellect to appreciate them...its because its whiney miserable guff...and the way you trying to defend the genre only shows me that you fit lock stock into the stereotype of the angry little boy that goes hand in hand with metal
And I'M repeating myself? Tsk tsk Jaden. You know much better than that man. Now you're being a hypocrite as WELL as contradicting yourself? Shameful.
There's nothing you can appreciate. YOU. Tool fans and those who understand them are above you and your Bloc Party/Scissor Sisters/NME bands. We've moved on with music. You can lay and bathe in the mediocre all you want. We'll see you at the musical evolution bell curve. It's a tortoise and the hare story.
Metal bands don't get acknowledged? What a silly remark. Mastodon (yes a Metal band) won album of the year across the board in 04. Is that not recognition? Are Slayer not legendary? (Yes they are). Judas Priest? Black Sabbath, in many ways? Do you actually listen to music or are you the type who plays an album to skip to the songs he likes? Metal is whiney miserable guff? Coming from a fan of bands like Bloc Party. There's nothing whiney about Metal. Don't hate a genre just because you're scared and intimidated by the heavy sounds.
Yep. Those involved never survive either, as proven.
music evolution?...the metal genre?...hahaha..oh man you are dreaming...metal hasn't moved on in over 20 years...the music is the same...the image is the same...and the fans are the same
"intimidated by the heavy sounds."...yeah...thats what it is...its the scary men in black...playing the crappy music...i'm just shakin in me boots over here
Q albums of 2004
1. The Streets – A Grand Don’t Come For Free
2. Keane – Hopes And Fears
3. Franz Ferdinand – Franz Ferdinand
4. U2 – How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb
5. Razorlight – Up All Night
6. The Libertines – The Libertines
7. Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds – Abattoir Blues/The Lyre Of Orpheus
8. The Killers – Hot Fuss
9. Mylo – Destroy Rock & Roll
10. Interpol – Antics
11. Snow Patrol – Final Straw
12. Dizzee Rascal – Showtime
13. Wilco – A Ghost Is Born
14. Scissor Sisters – Scissor Sisters
15. Danger Mouse – The Grey Album
16. Kasabain – Kasabain
17. Kings Of Leon – Aha Shake Heartbreak
18. Prince – Musicology
19. Gwen Stefani – Love Angel Music Baby
20. The Zutons – Who Killed The Zutons
21. Green Day – American Idiot
22. Graham Coxon – Happiness In Magazines
23. Elliott Smith – From A Basement On The Hill
24. The Blue Nile – High
25. Ryan Adams – Love Is Hell
26. Mark Lanegan – Bubblegum
27. Norah Jones – Feels Like Home
28. Usher – Confessions
29. Kanye West – The Collage Dropout
30. Eminem – Encore
31. The Walkman – Bows + Arrows
32. Lost Prophets – Start Something
33. George Michael – Patience
34. Sufjan Stevens – Seven Swans
35. The Futureheads – The Futureheads
36. Secret Machines – Now Here Is Nowhere
37. !!! [Chik Chik Chik] – Louden Up Now
38. Devendra Banhart – Rejoicing In The Hands
39. Estelle – The 18th Day…
40. Joss Stone – Mind Body And Soul
41. Modest Mouse – Good News For People Who Love Bad News
42. Brian Wilson – Smile
43. Loretta Lynn – Van Lear Rose
44. Jamelia – Than You
45. The Von Bondies – Pawn Shoppe Heart
46. My Chemical Romance – Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge
47. Goldie Lookin’ Chain – Greatest Hits
48. Cee-Lo Green – Cee-Lo Green Is The Soul Machine
49. Red Hot Chilli Peppers – Live In Hyde Park
50. The Bees – Free The Bees
nme awards 2005 nominees
Best British Band The Libertines, Kasabian, Franz Ferdinand, Muse, Snow Patrol
Best Album Franz Ferdinand’s ‘Franz Ferdinand’, Green Day ‘American Idiot‘, The Libertines ‘The Libertines‘, Scissor Sisters ‘Scissor Sisters, The Streets ‘A Grand Don‘t Come For Free‘
Best New Band Razorlight, Babyshambles, Block Party, Kasabian, The Killers
Best Solo Artist Graham Coxon , Ian Brown, Eminem, Morrisey, The Streets
Best International Band The Killers, Kings Of Leon, Scissor Sisters, The Strokes, U2
Best Track Franz Ferdinand’s ‘Take Me Out’ The Libertines ‘Can‘t Stand Me Now‘ Razorlight ‘Golden Touch‘, The Streets ‘Dry Your Eyes‘, U2 ‘Vertigo‘
Best Live Band Muse, Babyshambles, Franz Ferdinand, The Libertines, Razorlight
Best Video Green Day’s ‘American Idiot’ , Beastie Boys ‘Triple Trouble‘, Eminem ‘Mosh‘, Franz Ferdinand ‘Take Me Out‘, The Streets ‘Fit But You Know It‘
Best Event Paul McCartney/Glastonbury 2004, Carling Weekend : Reading and Leeds, Download, T In The Park, V2004
Best Music DVD Oasis’ ‘Definitely Maybe’ , Nirvana ‘With The Lights Out‘, Pixies ‘Pixies‘, Scissor Sisters ‘We Are Scissor Sisters And So Are You‘, The White Stripes ‘Live Under Blackpool Lights‘
Best Radio Show Zane Lowe, Steve Lamcq, Chris Moyles, Colin Murray and Edith Bowman, Christian O‘Connell
Godlike Genius Award New Order
The Phillip Hall Radar Award Kaiser Chiefs
xfm best albums 2004
The Libertines (pictured) 'The Libertines'
Ash 'Meltdown'
Belle & Sebastian 'Dear Catastrophe Waitress'
The Cure 'The Cure'
The Zutons 'Who Killed The Zutons?'
Franz Ferdinand (pictured) 'Franz Ferdinand'
The Streets 'A Grand Don't Come For Free'
Graham Coxon 'Happiness In Magazines'
Keane 'Hopes & Fears'
Morrissey 'You Are The Quarry'
Dogs Die In Hot Cars 'Please Describe Yourself'
Embrace (pictured) 'Out Of Nothing'
Kings of Leon 'Aha Shake Heartbreak'
Scissor Sisters 'Scissor Sisters'
I actually thought you were saying it for a joke but it appears you really do believe Metal hasn't changed in 20 years, wow. I gave YOU too much credit. What a childish and ignorant thought.
Stop shaking man, isn't anything to be afraid of. It's just different, don't be afraid of difference.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Look at that top 10. Interpol are ok at best, Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds are the only group there worth mentioning. The rest are shit, yes U2 aswell. Most overrated, self-appreciating band ever. The Streets? As Vic put it: "Worst case of Emperor's new clothes ever". As for the rest of that list, there's barely anyone worth mentioning. The Red Hot Chili Peppers are the best band on that list by such a large stretch it's not even funny. Dizzee Rascal at 12? The man is the biggest fabricator in music. Shittest list I've seen, but wait, what's next? NME.....oh this oughtta be fun....
As suspected, a bunch of old, middle aged men, voting mostly for music they liked as kids instead of music that's actually good. Libertines? Franz Ferdinand? Kasabian? Keane? Possibly THE MOST sleep inducing music of all time, out of boredom. Muse, Green Day and The Pixies. Only bands there worth mentioning. This is a magazine who like Zane Lowe and Edith Bowman, one is the biggest apple polishing nut sucker in music journalism, the other thinks she likes good music but then goes and hypes up Robbie Williams. Man, I'm so tired of smacking your debate to the wall.
XFM at least had SOME good bands in there.
Why did you post those lists? To show what's popular? Since when did what's popular equate to being good? The bands I love don't need to be in magazines and get awards, they don't NEED to over promote themselves to grab more fans.
More importantly the bands I love aren't famous because their lead singer is a drunk with a disorderly life, or because they dress a certain way, or because they put themselves across as "clever". They maintain a dedicated fanbase.
You're falling like a ton of bricks boy. You sadly have a sucky, moronic and ignorant opinion of music so you grab lists off the net and links of the net to try and back yourself up. Sad man, very sad.
Got anything substantial and provable to show me? Besides chart lists?
No? Then you have had my time enough. Be off with thee young scamp.
these bands are hardly guilty of promoting themselves when the people in the know ie the musical press and people such as the late, great john peel and people with critically aclaimed music shows such as jools holland are quite happy to sing the praises of these bands long before they are popular in the mainstream
and to argue against nme as a source of musical knowledge is pretty poor given that it was NME that initially saw the talent of artists such as the rolling stones, the beatles, bob dylan, the smiths and your beloved radiohead
therefor when they tell you that bands such as bloc party have talent then perhaps you and your ilk should take notice
im not saying go with the crowd...in not saying be trendy...i myself listen to stuff that the chart followers would either laugh at or would never heard of before (patrick park, jesse malin, the pattern)
yes there is crap in the lists above but i thought it best to stick them in unedited..i dont like stuff like jamelia (at least not for her music)
"childish and ignorant"
hahaha...you are the master of those qualites..i'll give you that
"Got anything substantial and provable to show me? Besides chart lists?
No? Then you have had my time enough. Be off with thee young scamp."
do you find it impossible to end your posts without these generic comments...you must have done it 100 times since ive been on KMC
They sing the praises of them to MAKE them popular in the mainstream. Surely you see that. John Peel was the man but he had a far from untouchable musical opinion. Radio 1 is, for the most part, the NME of radio. People "in the know"? They're only in the know because that's their job. I find out about bands and artists ages before they're even known, I just don't do it for a living. What does this have to do with anything? Desperate much? Kaiser Chiefs and many other of those bands have been on TRL. Bloc Party included.
They said Radiohead would never get out of the shadow of Creep and continually tried to make that a reality. Then when OK Computer came out they started loving them again, then when Radiohead left all the dullards in the dust, the NME went on dissing them again. They're hypocrites who have a delusional sense of grandure. They love bands like The Libertines, The Bravery, Scissor Sisters, Bloc Party, Keane, Oasis. Boring bands, coffee table bands. They lie in their magazines to sell issues, they suck.
Why should I? Hmm? They tell me a band has talent and I'm supposed to agree right away? I listened to Silent Alarm to see what all the fuss was about and besides Little Thoughts (their best song which is ok at best), it's the most overhyped CD I've heard in a long long time. If you wanna get on your knees and swallow everything they shoot out at you then you can do so. I'm an adult, I can find music on my own. I don't need the NME telling me what's good and what isn't. If I did, I'd end up like you.
You posted them as if they were debate enders. They mean nothing. They mean no more than if I were to compile a list.
I'm not ignorant. Arrogant? Yes. Ignorant? No. That's a crown you wear haphazardly upon your very own, and very vacant, cranium.
You say I shouldn't end my posts in such a way then you go and copy me. Am I THAT good?
Yes I am.
However, I asked a question, you couldn't fulfill the request or answer the question, so I'll assume you're done.
who's resorting to the insults now...i thought you were above that...seems not...and given that you pretty much have no clue about me then your just pissing in the wind..and at the moment its all being blown back over your face
i can pretty much 100% garauntee that every band you listen to you do so because someone told you they were good...
people like you will NEVER...and i mean NEVER EVER...be anywhere near as good as me..."FACT"
i take it this is the question you are refering to...
lets put it into a context that you can understand...
if you were ill you would ask the opinion of a doctor and you would consider their opinion as valid because they are experts
the only difference with music is the subjectivity of it...but if you want an opinion of what is good and what is not...you would generally ask the experts...the musical press
hence their opinion is better than yours...
ive taken their opinion...and your opinion...tested both...and low and behold..they are right and you aren't
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Insults, Jaden? What insults? I've not said anything with the intention of harming or offending you, or insulting you. I can only insult you if I try to or if you ARE insulted. I just said what I believe. I wasn't insulting you, I was being honest. You're obviously so desperate for something to cling to that you're just twisting things way more than you know they are meant. Nothing is blown back in ANYONE'S face on the history of these forums more so than your attempt to come at me, that's a fact .
There's a difference between being introduced to a band, then liking them on your own accord and liking a band PURELY because of SOMEONE elses opinion. Lots of the bands I like I have got into on my own.
Already am buddy, already am.
Got anything else to say? Coz you've strayed so far from topic in an attempt to discredit me that you've just made yourself look worse.
Funny guy. I like you though.
Musical press are experts? Smash Hits magazine are musical press. Valid opinion? No. Their opinion isn't "better" than mine, you just take their opinion as gospel because it's printed, no more or less. A doctor can prove that he is right by healing me. I can prove that the NME are wrong by showing a Libertines, Kasabian or Bloc Party CD to anyone with taste.
AC...the man/boy who considers himself to be the font of all musical knowledge yet doesn't put anything over than his own opinion...take it to be as valid or invalid as anyone elses...yet he himself seems to think it is and all should bow before his wisdom
where is you argument exactly?
ive never seen you be FOR anything...you just try to slate everyone else
ive given you that facts of the matter...the best...the most popular...the best selling albums of 2005 and not one of them by tool or any other metal band
thats not a coincidence...they dont sell because they are shit and people dont like them
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