but perhaps it should be limited to actual comic history rather than adding other scenarios to the combatants, as their posts are what should be used to decide your vote
he may possibly be able to counteract one aspect of his power but Grav has shown to be able to perform multiple tasks simultaneously, plus a class 80 hit may take out Hawkeye and Scourge but a shielded Carnage should be hurt but ok, shielded Puma could go either way and the rest would be fine....... although your team would lose both the street guys as well and the buildings would be destroyed hurting Hawksmoor badly
to decide if a guy who can become class 100, reshape the earth, hold all heroes helpless and slaughter a group of heroes without breaking a sweat can take out an alien in a cape....
Mangog is vastly stronger than Thor or Majestic
apparently wolverine survived the sun so (BS i know) but there's no way to know for sure, the laser could be refracted and reflected by the graviton shield though
Wonderman has taken down Thor a couple of times and gone toe to toe with Hulk showing he can take more than one of his punches, no way is BB more than he can handle..... especially with additional shielding
but he'd have no tools..... building a complicated device to block a gravity wielding opponents power without cutting his entire team off from gravity and hurling them into space is tricky, precise...... possibly impossible work...... even more so without precise tools and a computer.... especially if BB destroys all the buildings
he couldn't even move his arms...... everyone was held in the exact same position
and different types of energy shield work in different ways.... Moonstone can phase through Songbirds but not Gravitons
he was beaten because he let his guard down to focus on reshaping the entire planet into a specific image, the Thunderbolts even admitted they wouldn't have been able to get close to him if he didn't let them
and the Thing/Black Bolt storyline was when he had much less control
that may or may not be true....... however no force has ever proven to break his field or hold, and that would include the combined struggles of Thor, the Hulk, Wonderman, the Thing and many other powerhouses.... Majestic is not stronger than all of them together
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Yes, mere mortals who then proceeded to take him out.
His senses may exceed human rank, but they send signals to a brain that is still very much human. Majestic operates at speed levels in the Flash and Superman ranks.
No, actually, Graviton CAN'T hold Majestic down, that's been my point all along. And there are limits. HE can only reach the white dwarf/black hole levels of gravitational fields when amped up somehow. And it would take those kinds of gravity fields to even slow Majestic down. Are you noticng that the storng guys you happen to be mentioning are all non-fliers? Majestic didn't punch his way into the center of the sun, he FLEW there. His flight capabilities are more than a match for anything Graviton can bring to this fight. I'm not going to argue the GodForce blast's strength in comparison to the laser vision. The fact is, visible light passes unhindered through Graviton's protective fields, which means Majestic's laser vision can get through and kill him.
From what I hear he stopped Jolt because she was electrical in nature. Thor and "others" aren't anywhere near as fast as Majestic.
That's what I'm saying, yes.
Thor is faster than peak human, no doubt. He may even possess low level DC speedster speed, but there is no way he matches Supermans TOP speeds. He hit Superman in the comic because it would have been a crappy read if Superman had speedblitzed him. Unlike Supes, Majestic does NOT hold back.
Funny you should mention telepathic attacks. Guess what Black Bolt has doen on two (possibly three) separate occasions? Yep, used his power over all forms of electron energy to control the impulses of a brain. He's forced his crazy telepathic brother to stop ranting, walk across a jail cell, and go to sleep. He's also broken the telepathic link forged by a child psychic of considerable power. AND he cut off the connection between Mandarin and his rings. Jeez, the list of ways Graviton can be beaten just keeps growing. Graviton won't be trying to crush anything if he's passed out.
Actually, Bolt's scream only destroys everything around him when he's screaming into open space. Whenever he gets close to powerhouses like Hulk and Gladiator and whispers, they absorb the full brunt of the scream. BB can hold Wonderman still with a containment field and whisper right into his ear.
An alien in a cape who is close to Pre-Crisis Supes strength levels, yes.
Let's just agree to disagree on this one.
Actually, his skeleton survived being NEAR the sun, and Phoenix basically remade him around the adamantium. It can't be refracted if Graviton doesn't even know it's coming.
You'll never see me argue that Black Bolt can't hang with other bricks on strength alone, but he doesn't need to. Between his vast electron powers, matter manipulation and scream, I could have made a decent case for him as my everyman. With all his other powers intact and still having access to whispers, he is more than enough of a match for Wonderman. BB has gone toe to toe with Thor, stood toe to toe and knocked out Gladiator and has made Hulk his woman every time they have fought.
He has superstrength, superspeed, and the finest cutting/welding tool ever seen. He reporgrammed Eradicator, the living kryptonian weapon, simply by using flashes of laser vision. He actually made Eradicator BETTER. And see my first paragraph for why BB wouldn't even harm the buildings.
See my analogy using magnetic fields for why Majestic can break through the shield.
EXACTLY(in reference to the italicized bit)! Graviton, at normal power level, had to concentrate to rearrange one single planet! Majestic has rearranged the entire solar system. Majestic is one very large step above Graviton in terms of power.
Graviton has never faced a force that can move planets. He has to focus utterly on simply moving continents. Physically, he may not be able to lift more weight that all of those bricks combined, but none of them can duplicate the feats Majestic has performed using his flight power in conjunction with his strength.
Oh, they can fly, but not with the force that can move planets.
Yes, but he was protected by his forcefield, right? We're talking about speed, and with someone who is as vulnerable to Graviton as Jolt, speed is meaningless.
Wonderman won't be crushing his skull when he's getting knocked unconscious by multiple electron blasts.
Khellandros (who earned my vote, BTW) pointed out that EM is stronger than gravity. Yes, in the technical sense that electromagnetism as a FORCE is almost infinitely stronger. All the atoms in a magnet will exert no detectable gravitional force, yet you can see unaided the results of their electromagnetic force.
However, EM doesn't occur in the quantities gravity does. Gravity is the most present, if one of the weakest, universal forces.
Then again, since this isn't "Gravity vs. EM" but "Black Bolt v. Graviton"... I'd daresay that Black Bolt's variety of skills and intense experience would let him at least hold off Graviton's singularity abilities.
By the way: Making a black hole would produce enough chaos factors to kill almost everybody else on the field (save Jenny, probably). For example: Black holes generate masers, essentially microwave lasers. So if Graviton wants ANY kind of human shield or distracting force, he has to be a lot more careful about his powers than Majestic does (not that Majestic gets a free ride in this regard).
Thor couldn't move at all and Graviton wasn't even remotely straining himself..... it'll hold down Majestic
actually he never bothered with the force field at that point as he was so overconfident that he didn't see anyone as any kind of threat to him
you seem to have Black Bolt defending against both Wonderman and Graviton at the same time....... he isn't capable of that with his scream/whisper powers limited the way they are
No, because Thor simply has great physical strength. Whereas Majestic has even greater physical strength and an exceptionally powerful flight capabilities.
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Kinda makes me think he'll be underestimating Majestic, then. Why even have a shield up at all, if he thinks he's such a badass?
No, I have Wonderman getting knocked out in moments freeing black Bolt to take on Graviton or Vision. His scream powers are indeed limited, but his other electron abilities, the main reason I picked Black Bolt, are still at full power.
i just put up a Dragon Man V's Vision thread as i don't know how either of them will beat the other..... hopefully someone can offer me some help there......... lol
Is Graviton's shield totally environmental? Can it stop attacks as varied as sound, manipulated electrons, ordinary light, etc.? I think that Graviton's shield is just getting pierced, surpassed and blown to bits in this fight.
Gravitons shield has never been succesfully penetrated by the Avengers, including Thor's Godforce blast, the Thunderbolts, which features Songbird who uses sound as her weapon or the Redeemers....... i'm not sure who else has tried
In this case, it matters since Black Bolt can do pseudo-psychic abilities by controlling nerves/electron flows, apparently. A full on mental stun or VX-like effect would pretty much end it.
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