assimilating a death star would be very easy for the borg. All they would have to do is take out the shield generater on the planet by firing on it with a few plasma torpedoes from space while the other borg cubes destroy and assimilate the defending ships. Of course the borg would lose some cubes but seeing how fast the death stars fires, not that many. Anyway since they are very intelligent, the borg would probably attack the death star from the back instead of the front, which is actually common sense(dont know why in the last star wars the rebels attacked it from the front ). Anyway, with the shields down, the borg would just beam millions of borg drones aboard. Then by injecting nanoprobes into one of the control panels, all the death stars' systems will start to be takin over by the borg. Of course theyd just have to assimilate everyone onboard, which would be pretty easy. Then with the death star under borg control, the borg will have all the information they need from that one death star to build bigger and better death stars and add all of the technology that theyve takin from the thousands of species theyve assimilated. Then theyll add that technology from the death star to their cubes. So youll probably be fighting mini death star cubes.
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You know what I think? I think Trekkies use big words like assimilate and transcorder and latinum because it makes their wang harder than Japanese arithmetic. But seriously, The Death Star, or the second version (Which fires a hell of a lot faster) isn't something you just sneak up on in your little grey Rubic cube thingy. It would have an Imperial fleet larger than the line of bullshit you just spewed defending it from most if not all angles (allowing for firing room) and if you think the Borg can break through that line before being poofed you're insane. And as for attacking the shield, it wouldn't make a damn difference. Transporters and sensors which the Borg Cube and all of ST relies upon so heavily are easily affected by many things. Imperial troops could simply jettison trash and use chaff to disrupt the sensors. You know what the means? Good luck trying to beam anywhere. And you're also under the assumption that you can transport a Borg through the meters of duracrete and lead shielding that is doubtless on the Death Star which makes it impervious to enemy fire from without. Maybe they can go to subwarp speeds and try a Lando, but I think the Borg are fekked. And as for mass assimilation, I just WANNA see the Borg try that on Sidious and Vader. That will be a slaughterfest. And let's say, for the sake of petty argument, that the Borg could beam aboard and overpower easily millions of crewmembers before they are either destroyed to a drone or the self destruct is activated.... how are they gonna find time to turn around before the rest of the entire SW universe shows up and blows the ball to hell? Oh wait... you didn't think about that. Sorry, Bill. The Trekkies go home without the blood honor of Klingon Warriors this round.
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Registered: Apr 2005
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oh no I love sw but to say a thread like this is done with....I thought this thread would last forever....lol.....I love debates...I love democracy....ahhh nah screw it SW wins till I become bored with episode III thread...lol
Have the Borg go after Vader or Sidious. Listen to the Collective's necks' snap would be like pouring milk into a bowl of Rice Krispies.
And I would like to see the Borg Queen go up against Sidious. Goth chick vs. crafty old man? Time for another .....
Last Man Standing!™
The Borg have adapted to the defensive capabilities of Emperor Palpatine's private room (they used the old boot-blocking-door trick), the Borg Queen makes a slinky entrance. The crimson guards leave the room to go get the squeegy mops for the wrap-up.
Palpatine puts down the Sunday Journal to look up and see the reject extra from a Matrix film walk up to his desk. She starts bragging about how great her role was on the last episode of Voyager.
Palpatine, bored as soon as she started opening her mouth, sends out some serious voltage coursing through her veins. Some of the bolts start to be blocked as she adjusts her settings against the onslaught- - -
Palpatine uses the Force and rips her out of her suit. The body suit falls off faster than William Shatner's toupee in a wind tunnel. He finishes doing a Jiffy-Pop number on her, shatters the balconey window (again) and flings her outside to land right next to John DeLancie's corpse.
One of the crimson guard's comes back in, looks at the bodycast on the ground, and says "Can I have this?"
Registered: Apr 2005
Location: I know where I would like to be
borg queen would have been more appealing if her breast size was like quadrupaled...lol....like DDD GGG something like that ..and organic...mechanical breasts just wouldnt work....then noone would notice anything else and she could weave her evil ways all night long and no one would care...actually they would love every minute of it...lmao
Registered: May 2005
Location: Akron OH, United States
Well as far as the SW stuff being more powerfull, I cant agree with that just because the person who wrote the RPG stats had a sever case of penis envy... the ST universe borders on a more realistic view at technology. Now you say that the SW univers has thousands of years of technology development then tell me this... if the Millinium Falcon is one of the fastest ships in the galaxy and only goes .5 past light speed then how does that beat out warp drive? Well, it doesn't.
A table for your reference...
Warp Factor c Velocity
Warp 1 1c 299 792.458 km per second
Warp 2 10.079c 3 021 608.18 km per second
Warp 3 38.941c 11 674 218.1 km per second
Warp 4 101.59c 30 455 915.8 km per second
Warp 5 213.75c 64 080 637.9 km per second
Warp 6 392.50c 117 668 539.8 km per second
Warp 7 656.13c 196 702 825.5 km per second
Warp 8 1024c 306 987 477.0 km per second
Warp 9 1516.4c 454 605 283.3 km per second
Warp 9.2 1649c 494 357 763.2 km per second
Warp 9.6 1909c 572 303 802.3 km per second
Warp 9.9 3053c 915 266 374.3 km per second
Warp 9.9753 6000c 1 798 754 748.0 km per second
Warp 9.99 7912c 2 371 957 927.7 km per second
Warp 9.9999 199516c 59 813 392 050.3 km per second
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History... 300 years against thousands?
Technology evolves with history, SW logically has a more efficient military force
That travel thing is crap. People manage to travel across the entire galaxy which has tens of thousands of systems in less then a day. From the core worlds to the outer rim doesn't take that long
Star Wars actually has large scale battle's, meaning that they are ready for it.
And then there is the force
Registered: May 2005
Location: Akron OH, United States
You have obviously not watched the Dominion Wars...
And how can you say that the travel thing is crap... if you are going to sit there and say that the SW RPG stats are proof that SW rules then how can you just dismiss my travel argument. If SW can travel across the galaxy in a day then its either a REALLY small galaxy or its a hole in your argument.
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I don't get you at all. I don't think you're a bad guy or even an idiot, I don't. But you aren't making a convincing argument but you still keep trying.
For one thing, NEITHER ST nor SW has realistic speeds, powers, or anything. Scientifically most of it would be impossible and the rest would be ridiculously difficult to even work. Now, RPG Stats are not being introduced here as an argument. Your post, in which you quoted my post, had no relevance to.... my post. You did not acknowledge any of my arguments, much less refute them. You just went off on a tangent about RPG stats, which came out of nowhere so much as I can tell.
Now, convince me and others how ST has more realistic technology? I expect it. I always hear that argument and I can't find a damn thing to say it makes sense. Star Trek has replicators which work on a level of science I haven't seen explained. They have powerful sensors that can't get through at least one obstacle per episode. They operate on a crystal power source. They have teleporters that work without a recepticle on the other end, and have no malfunctions what so ever. If anything, Star Trek is a horrible mesh of space opera meets "I can't stand violence and realism" fantasy. There isn't one real thing about St from the stupid weapons and uniforms to the bland rooms and no poverty.
Registered: May 2005
Location: Akron OH, United States
Look... I can do the research if thats what you want... I read three articles about NASA's work on warp style technology, I have SEEN the development of a Positronic Matrix for satellite technolgy. There are thousands of articles out there that can give you scientific proof of the realism of Star Trek technology... thats not the realistic I am talking about... but forget all that...
The thing that pisses me off about this thread and why I keep coming back is because no one can put up a good argument. Besides the FACT that the two different technologies CANT be compaired because its ALL speculation and OPINION, the SW people here all they say is SW would win, OR ST sucks so SW would win.
I brought up the RPG stats cause that is the only defense that has been used to say that SW weapons and tech are more powerful than ST. So it did actually have relevence to your post in the context of this thread.
I didnt engage any of your arguments cause I have talked over most of them...
Please dont think me an idiot... I am a HUGE SW fan but I happen to like ST too... The thing about ST is while Lucas sat back and sucked the market dry from his movies and left the SW universe stagnant as far as the film industry goes, the ST universe continued to engage people... I grew up in the SW erra but I grew up WITH ST since it was on TV all the time... So I have to try to defend it.
Like I said before in this thread, some friends of mine and I started an online RPG where we joined the SW universe with the Robotech universe. I played a SW character and over the six months or so that the game went on I was the only one willing to let my ship be dissabled or damaged by the opposite side... NO ONE was willing to give any concessions to the other sides technology... eventually the game died cause no one wanted to loose.
This whole argument is a great exercise in futility... Not cause either side sucks, but because I am trying to argure for ST in a SW forum, and I am the only one willing to admit that my side has its own drawbacks or weaknesses...
I can go titt for tatt and argue against anything you can throw at me. I can find something in the ST universe to counter it... even the star throwing jedi... but no one here wants to listen to that. So I just go on puting up arguments that no one will concider... for example, this is the second or third time I have brough up the speed of SW vs ST and NO ONE can argue back... If the Mellineum Falcon is one of the fastest ships in the galaxy and goes .5 past light speed, how are they faster than ST? Just because they go halfway across the galaxy in a day... Thats an inconcistency not an argument.
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Examples of ST unrealism...
plasma shotgun
Episode: ENT 001 - Broken Bow
Energy-discharge weapon. Oklahoma farmer Moore used one to shoot the Klingon Klaang upon their unexpected encounter.
replicator
Episode: TNG 165 - Sins of the Father
Devices derived from transporter technology to dematerialize matter and then reconstitute it in another form.
Replicators, in use since the early 24th century, are most commonly used as food dispensers aboard Federation starships. The menu is only limited by the programming, as opposed to the days of carrying natural or reconstituted foodstuffs with delivery by special turbolifts or transporters.
Generally replicated food and "natural" food taste the same, though some people claim to be able to detect a difference. For instance, Captain Picard kept real caviar stored for special occasions since he felt replicated caviar was inferior to the real thing.
transporter
Episode: TOS 001 - The Cage
Transportation device that converts objects or persons to energy, sends that energy to the destination, and reconstitutes the objects/persons back into matter.
Transporters cannot beam objects through deflector shields.
I just had to get those technological realistic points out of the way. Those are from the official site technology databank, btw.
Now, on to your point about speed, which is apparently a big issue for you. This is taken from the excerpt on the SW official site for Hyperdrive.
"Travel between star systems would be impossible were it not for the development of the revolutionary hyperdrive propulsion system. The term hyperdrive refers to the engine and interrelated systems that propel a starship through the alternate dimension of hyperspace. In hyperspace, there is no limit to how fast a starship can travel, and thus interstellar distances can be traversed in mere minutes.
Before entering hyperspace, a pilot must supply exact coordinates derived by the ship's navicomputer. Without precise calculations, a ship may collide with a body in hyperspace with catastrophic results.
Although largely reliable, constant modifications to a hyperdrive can render it untrustworthy. Han Solo's Millennium Falcon had an extremely recalcitrant hyperdrive which often failed when needed the most."
Now, about the Point five issue...
"Modern hyperdrives are classified by their speeds, with the lower the class number, the faster the drive. The Millennium Falcon has an extremely fast hyperdrive, rated at class 0.5."
Taken word for word. Now, from the official ST site on Warpdrive...
"The main propulsion system for most starships that is capable of faster-than-light travel.
The core of the warp drive uses to control the annihilation of matter and antimatter. This controlled explosion is what generates the tremendous power required to warp space and travel faster than light.
On Earth, warp drive was invented in 2063 by noted scientist Zefram Cochrane."
Also on the warp drive....
"Warp factor is the unit used to measure faster-than-light travel, where 'c' is equal to the speed of light. Each increase of one warp is computed geometrically. Warp ten is theorized to be infinite and with current technology, unobtainable. "
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