Registered: May 2005
Location: Akron OH, United States
Okay you know what... GFY. If you don't know what that means then to bad... Why are you personally attacking me dude. Ist a F****** debate on SW vs ST... I'm not suck on points, I'm not hung up on anything. I just want explanations and until your last post NO ONE HAD BEEN ABLE TO EXPLAIN OR DEFEND. Sooooo... Okay cool now I have my explanation.
As for the unrealism... come on. don't get into that cause it can be argued both ways... SW, the force... come on how realistic is that. Hyperdrive... again, realism. Yes there are things in the ST universe that are unrealistic or not fully explained... but its FICTION. of course there are going to be... the core of the ST technology though can be scientifically explained, just not advanced enough to implement.
Okay... you want this to be fair... take the first 300 years of SW technology from the time they had faster than light travel and take ST technology and then throw them together. Now who would win... well I hate to say it but SW does not have a first 300 years cause Lucas didn't write it... Thats the biggest difference between SW and ST... ST is a complete evolution of technology... SW is just a prick in time and you don't have any idea about its origins. But lets not get off on that...
Sooooo since you cant compare the 300 or so years of ST technology to the 10000 years or so of SW technology (cause it just don't work) I declare this debate a mistrial and everyone can go home now.
Again, I am ducking out. I will probably come back if people keep this going. And again, I AM NOT ADMITTING DEFEAT. I an just ending this futile exercise.
So peace, and see ya on the flip side.
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Ah, but the first 300 years with Hyperdrive have been explained...
Not by GL but this is an EU forum so that doesn't matter now does it?
The first ships able to travel at that speed for as far as I know come from the infinite empire, who have a factory that creates an unlimited amount of ships from a few resources at high speeds. The entire race that flew with it had a mastery over the force. They were fighters and thinkers and were indeed powerful and incredibly smart. They managed to take over every race they encountered. How much that is I'm not sure of but its a lot that is for sure.
They piloted through the force and they had to have an amazing amount of it in order to control the Star Forge and fly those ships two things that they could not do on a later date. Meaning that those guys had a great control of the force, knew how to fight and win, had amazing technology and were incredibly brilliant and they were with billions upon billions of them.
I am not giving anybody a chance against those guys. I don't care who you throw against them, no army is going to win. SW or ST army's will lose from them.
Registered: May 2005
Location: Akron OH, United States
Okay... where is the info about the Infinite Empire... did they originate from the same galaxy as the Empire and Republic?
Now if we are going to talk about the entirity of the universes then I think ST could compare... the 300 years of technology that we have been talking about for ST is based on the Federation. If you want to talk about ALL the alien races and all their technology and all there history then I think we could have a fight.
Ugg... see I get drawn back in already...
If its not a Lucas sanctioned production, like a book or a game then I dont think you can count it as cannon. So where do I find out info about this Empire?
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It doesn't count as Cannon, well not the highest cannon anyway, but this is an EU section so that doesn't matter here..
And you were the one talking about the time that the Hyperdrive was first discovered...
However honestly I don't think we should even be debating this..
Look what is ST about? Travelling discovering... SW is about war fighting. Creating or destroying empires... SW simply has an advantage because of experience we can debate technology for century's but that won't do as any good..
If you still want info on the infinite empire however, try google or play Kotor
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: Hiding from zombies
Seriously, you need to chill out. I wasn't attacking you, I was trying to relate to your points on some level. But it seems like you just want ST to be the winner or you want to take your ball and go home, calling the game off. Neither is the point of this discussion. I don't have a personal stake in this like you seem too, I'm just along for the ride. But I haven't seen any convincing arguments as to wy ST is superior to SW so far that hasn't been refuted.
Registered: Feb 2005
Location: Hiding from zombies
And to recap on that point, I'm not feeling particularly hostile today, and I don't have any beef with you, so I hope we see eye to eye on that at least. Let's keep this civil... It IS fiction, we're not talking philosophy or anything.
Registered: Apr 2005
Location: I know where I would like to be
without Q Star Trek loses I fear....cloaked ships & time travel are the only plus I can honestly think of for ST but that was covered in someone saying that time travel into past just creates an alternate verse so they win in one but not the one it started in? Something like that
Registered: May 2005
Location: Akron OH, United States
Darth_Janus... YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME!... just kidding... been a rough week at work and sometimes I end up brining that into places like these.
I know that ST is greatly out classed but since this is a SW forum I figure that there was not going to be much defense on the ST side so I have been trying to fill that role.
I dont think that ST is superior... in fact its greatly out classed just by the shere size of the SW universe. I just dont think its as cut and dry as "SW wins".
There are a lot of things that the ST universe has going for it. Phased cloaking, Transporter, the Borg, Q, Planet Eater, Dysons Sphere, and a multitute of super beings throughout the galaxy.
I just want people to realize that its not cut and dry... While SW is massivly larger there is a good chance that the ST universe could hold its own.
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Registered: Apr 2005
Location: I know where I would like to be
Hey fishy if you were referring to my wife "charmedgrl420" bout just saying SW wins her only reason for even bothering to post here Im sure is she hates ST since Ive made her watch it so often...lol....though the new SW movies she tolerated and even liked ROTS! WOOHOO for me ( she kinda liked AOTC but said she liked ROTS the most) anyways only her second day in KMC so you understand (kinda sux for me too) now I have to watch myself and behave....nah screw it ...lol
behave! he better behave! Oh and sorry for not explaining but yes I hate star trek! dont know much more than that but hey cant a woman stuck with him vent!
im sorry, but i just can picture the sw galaxy taking on 137,737 Borg cubes and hundreds of billions of Borg drones and winning. I really dont think you guys understand what the Borg are, cause if you did, youd know what im talking about.
May 25th, 2005 01:43 PM
(kinda sux for me too) now I have to watch myself and behave....nah screw it ...lol
