Onslaught has Magneto's powers in him (among other...some more powerful)...Magneto beat Apocalypse in AoA. Why is there even two sides to this debate??
Apoc got his ass beat by Cable in melee combat. Apoc has shown no ability to do anything worthwhile, ever. Sinister is more succesful against the X-men then he is. Therefore, I deem Apoc obsolete.
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I wouldn't say FULL of Apoc fanboys. Three tops. Not that there's anything wrong with being a fanboy (*cough*IloveMagneto*cough*), as long as you present valid reasons supporting your character.
Apocalpyse is easily strogner than Cable, I don't understand you, how can you comapre them phisically, it's not worhtarguing about that, it's just isn't. Apocaylpse I don't remeeber saying he is no match for Onsalught, he only said he could stop it (it doens't mean he actully could), but he didn't say he is no match for Onlsaghut.
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Sure Poccy is stronger than Cable. But however strong Poccy is, he was unable to quickly put Cable down in a purely physical fight. That's unimpressive. if Poccy had Hulk-level strength, the fight would have been over immediately. Just look at what Hulk did to Cable.
I think he can empower himself to hav that by drawing on outside energy sources butnot as standard. Cables got class 10 strength because of his augmentations and because apocalypse hasnt demonstrated he clearly outclasses him in that area id put him around class 20 at the most as standard.
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Like I said before, the issue began with Poccy having Hulk in a leveraged braced position. We don't know how Poccy got in that position with Hulk in the first place, but once you're in that position, you have leverage - so how strong you are and how strong Hulk is becomes meaningless. Spider-man could have held Hulk in that position and Hulk wouldn't have been able to escape. Secondly, Hulk wasn't fighting back anyway. He was busy dying from radiation poisoning and just wanted somebody to help him. In order to keep Hulk in a position only requires two things: 1)Being big enough to lean back and lift Hulks feet off the ground without you being off the ground and 2)Being able to lift/support Hulks weight, which I believe is around 800 pounds. That's it! That's all! You don't have to actually be stronger than the Hulk to keep him like that. In fact, you can be Class 1/2 and do it. It's a common Judo trick....
So now that we've established that Apocalypse is at least Class 1/2....
okay okay, how about the Apoc from the cartoon show. The one from the cartoon show i say could easily destroy Onslaught. He beat Magneto, Mystique, Cable, and the X-Men all at the same time and wouldve killed them all too if it wasnt for the 20+ psychics.
I never saw him in Evolution, the series ended before they had a chance to show him didnt it?
I'm talking about the Animated series from the 90's, he was nearly invincible then, he would've defeated Magneto, Mystique, Cable, and the X-Men all at the same time and wouldve killed them all too if it wasnt for the 20+ psychics.
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