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botcherby
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Here you go
1) this page states Ultron is made of adamantium
http://img15.imgspot.com/u/05/326/1...51132769089.jpg

2) Pym attacking ultron, and the effects of anti-metal on ALL types of metal - including Firebird, Captain, Wanda's metal bracelets, and "nearly" ironman
http://img15.imgspot.com/u/05/326/1...41132770097.jpg

3) Pym destroying ultron with anti-metal
http://img15.imgspot.com/u/05/326/1...21132769774.jpg

4) Scraps of Ultron
http://img15.imgspot.com/u/05/326/1...31132769524.jpg


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Here you go
1) this page states Ultron is made of adamantium
http://img15.imgspot.com/u/05/326/1...51132769089.jpg

2) Pym attacking ultron, and the effects of anti-metal on ALL types of metal - including Firebird, Captain, Wanda's metal bracelets, and "nearly" ironman
http://img15.imgspot.com/u/05/326/1...41132770097.jpg

3) Pym destroying ultron with anti-metal
http://img15.imgspot.com/u/05/326/1...21132769774.jpg

4) Scraps of Ultron
http://img15.imgspot.com/u/05/326/1...31132769524.jpg


laughing
That was some horrible ownage right there....

...but uberine is differenet... hes gots that healin power fupgrades 100*!!! and im sure his addy is better then ultrons...laughing out loud


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Maverick says he'd lose in a FAIR FIGHT. That means Maverick wouldn't have his equipment, just his powers, which are no match for Wolverine. But with his equipment Maverick could rule ass.


no he ment that if wolverien was not haft dead lol not if he did not have his equipment

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nice botcher im glade u were finaly `able to at least prove some thing.

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Wouldn't be an easy way to kill Logan neutralizing his powers (any of the many devices able to do so or the use of Leach's or Elixir's powers) and then simply shoot him?


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Leech lost his powers


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Leech lost his powers
That's fairly ironic. . does he look normal now?


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you wanna know what completely doesn't make sense, and what completely takes all credit away from most of these instances? a "healing factor," meant to repair damaged tissue and regenerate lost tissue from a certain "colony," cannot create something out of nothing. and, unless wolverine's healing factor was retconned into a "alchemic matter-altering factor," simply "healing" an arm back onto metallic bones is impossible. every instance of such can be explained away as easily as spider-man beating firelord.

wolverine's gone through an entire issue, one of your favorites in fact, completely covered in shadow. why not an issue or two only half-covered?

and, lastly, there's still no on-panel evidence of wolverine getting his head chopped off; outside of a crazy nazi's journal entries. you can let that part of the argument go any time you want...


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you wanna know what completely doesn't make sense, and what completely takes all credit away from most of these instances? a "healing factor," meant to repair damaged tissue and regenerate lost tissue from a certain "colony," cannot create something out of nothing. and, unless wolverine's healing factor was retconned into a "alchemic matter-altering factor," simply "healing" an arm back onto metallic bones is impossible. every instance of such can be explained away as easily as spider-man beating firelord.
Inb which case due to frequency of the event in question that makes it possible. stick out tongue


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regardless of frequency, which often does act as a deciding factor in these events, logan's miraculous recoveries all come from misunderstanding about how his powers function. not even the "housed in every cell" theory can explain the complete regrowth of an arm from a purely metal set of bones. sebastian shaw was made a telepath once. that mistake doesn't stem from him acting outside of his powers' range, but from the writer not knowing their material. maybe it's just coincidence, though i suspect it's idiocy, that makes the same event happen again, and again, and again with logan.


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regardless of frequency, which often does act as a deciding factor in these events, logan's miraculous recoveries all come from misunderstanding about how his powers function. not even the "housed in every cell" theory can explain the complete regrowth of an arm from a purely metal set of bones. sebastian shaw was made a telepath once. that mistake doesn't stem from him acting outside of his powers' range, but from the writer not knowing their material. maybe it's just coincidence, though i suspect it's idiocy, that makes the same event happen again, and again, and again with logan.
You mean like the invisible woman seeing with invisible retinas? Or spiderman being able to grab a material that holds characters stronger than he, and then just releases it? Or Cyclops being able to fire as beam of concussive light, let alone being able to do this with no kick back? Or winged characters being able to flap hard enough, fast enough, to sustain a hover, let alone actual flight, without super strength or massive mucles? Or how about any energy projecting mutants with no real explination as how they do it? or ones that can turn ionto solid ice, or steel. Or how about radiation giving super powers rather than cancer, and the asame radiation gives different people different powers? Or gaining powers from a spider that was hit by hyper accelerated particles and not disinigrated on contact?

What's with the one sided disention against the frequent events of one character, when so many others have similar if not worse problems?


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logan's powers have practical, physical boundaries. as "advanced" as they can be, recuperation cannot include the creation of matter. wolverine's healing power has always had definition, and physical means of working. regardless of the other "mysteries" surrounding any number of characters, wolverine is operating beyond his defined limitations many times. and, unlike certain characters whose very powers derive from "impossible" sources, wolverine's do not. unless there's some kind of retcon that says wolverine's "advanced" healing power has been completely revamped to achieve the same results as his prior factor, but through drastically different means, there's no practical explanation for feats such as regrowing an arm, even in a mutant sense.


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logan's powers have practical, physical boundaries.
That no one else has? That's pretty one sided of you.

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as "advanced" as they can be, recuperation cannot include the creation of matter.
How do people grow hair? Or toenails, or at all when growing up?

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wolverine's healing power has always had definition, and physical means of working. regardless of the other "mysteries" surrounding any number of characters, wolverine is operating beyond his defined limitations many times. and, unlike certain characters whose very powers derive from "impossible" sources, wolverine's do not. unless there's some kind of retcon that says wolverine's "advanced" healing power has been completely revamped to achieve the same results as his prior factor, but through drastically different means, there's no practical explanation for feats such as regrowing an arm, even in a mutant sense.
So we're going to impose boundries on a character and can't scapegoat like other characters despite him having that available?

Yeah, one sided and hypocritical your arguments are invalid.


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How do people grow hair? Or toenails, or at all when growing up?


Its your DNA, your genes are replicated and identical cells are made. Wolverine's adamantium bone wouldn't have any identical DNA to replicate from. even so organelles like mitochondria have part their own DNA, and a previous one is needed for the replication on another. The only way wolves healing factor would feesibly work is that he regenerates from say the shoulder down to the finger tips... but that didn't happen in the Cassandra nova issue, the whole arm just regenerated... meh I don't care, wolverine is wolverine, hes just wolverine.

I personally don't get why you said that comment, but fair dues.. it ain't my arguement


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i don't see hypocrisy or one-sidedness. instead, i see reality versus fantasy, even in a fantastic setting. nobody ever said "spider-man's powers work by reproducing spider-like abilities within a human form, as is what happens in the real world." wolverine's power has ALWAYS been bounded to a simple advancement of a human's own healing capabilities. there's a difference between how the powers are meant to operate, and judging something meant to be advanced realism versus something meant to be purely fantastic requires different sets of rules.

anyway, cyclops' eyes are interdimensional portals, the energy streams through them as if they weren't there. no need for a recoil. sue storm changes how light reflects off of her, causing a distortion affect to make her appear invisible. she's not changing how light impacts on her, so there's no reason she shouldn't be able to see. not only that, but it's pure fantasy. same goes for spider-man's tricks, often stuck into his self-created SvFL category. they may make faux-science in the comics, but it's not real, and can't be compared to a real-world scenario. warren's wings have always had enhanced strength enough to lift and carry him through the skies. they're not limp chickadee wings. various energy producers simply aren't given explanation as they're minor characters. chock that up to "pure fantasy" or lack of explanation, but most "main" energy-producers get explanations that are equally fantastic. iceman's genetic destiny defies human boundaries anyway, and colossus' "energy wave" that converts him to steel is a faux-alchemic property. typical superhumans have an "x-factor" that is NOT genetic, that grants them certain powers once catalyzed. if radiation or gamma rays or cosmic rays act as the catalyst, does that not just move them further into "fantasy"? or what about the supernatural aspect to spidey's powers, as explained by ezekiel?

NONE of the above-mentioned crap is either meant to reflect reality. people don't have wings, people don't have energy beams, and people aren't made of exotic carbon chains. people ARE capable of healing themselves with some degree of speed, which has been the basis of wolverine's powers from the get-go.

enough rambling... the bottom line is wolverine's healing factor is meant to reflect an advanced human ability, whereas your other examples aren't. they can't be held to the same standards, just as varied crimes are held to different folkways and legal restrictions.


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i don't see hypocrisy or one-sidedness.
Surprise surprise. . .

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instead, i see reality versus fantasy,
For one character but not given this conditional to others.

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even in a fantastic setting. nobody ever said "spider-man's powers work by reproducing spider-like abilities within a human form, as is what happens in the real world." wolverine's power has ALWAYS been bounded to a simple advancement of a human's own healing capabilities. there's a difference between how the powers are meant to operate, and judging something meant to be advanced realism versus something meant to be purely fantastic requires different sets of rules.
Trying to justify you hypocrasy and one-sidedness, cute but futile.

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anyway, cyclops' eyes are interdimensional portals, the energy streams through them as if they weren't there. no need for a recoil.
Yeah that's realistic within the bounds of being a mutant, and I've never heard that description.

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sue storm changes how light reflects off of her, causing a distortion affect to make her appear invisible. she's not changing how light impacts on her,
Changeing how it reflects off of her IS changing how it impact on her. roll eyes (sarcastic)

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so there's no reason she shouldn't be able to see.
Bullshit

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not only that, but it's pure fantasy.
Oh sure she and Cyclops are pure fantasy, but not wolveirne, he has to be realistic!
*coughhypocritecough*

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same goes for spider-man's tricks, often stuck into his self-created SvFL category. they may make faux-science in the comics, but it's not real, and can't be compared to a real-world scenario.
But wolverine's can?
*coughhypocritecough*

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warren's wings have always had enhanced strength enough to lift and carry him through the skies. they're not limp chickadee wings. various energy producers simply aren't given explanation as they're minor characters.
Yeah, they aren't given explination, so I'm not going to bother, but I'm going to contiumne to ***** about Wolverine's realism.
*coughhypocrtiecough*

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chock that up to "pure fantasy" or lack of explanation, but most "main" energy-producers get explanations that are equally fantastic. iceman's genetic destiny defies human boundaries anyway,
YEs genetic destiny, yeah that exists in the real world too.
*coughhypocritecough*

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and colossus' "energy wave" that converts him to steel is a faux-alchemic property. typical superhumans have an "x-factor" that is NOT genetic, that grants them certain powers once catalyzed. if radiation or gamma rays or cosmic rays act as the catalyst, does that not just move them further into "fantasy"? or what about the supernatural aspect to spidey's powers, as explained by ezekiel?

NONE of the above-mentioned crap is either meant to reflect reality. people don't have wings, people don't have energy beams, and people aren't made of exotic carbon chains. people ARE capable of healing themselves with some degree of speed, which has been the basis of wolverine's powers from the get-go.
the others are fantasy, but not wolverine, he's realistic.
*coughhypocritecough*

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enough rambling... the bottom line is wolverine's healing factor is meant to reflect an advanced human ability, whereas your other examples aren't. they can't be held to the same standards, just as varied crimes are held to different folkways and legal restrictions.
*coughhypocritecough*


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Bind his arms down with wire and chain a weight to his head and drop him in an underwater trench.


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i'm sure he'd find a way out of that.
but since were hypothesizing.
lets just drop him in motlen lava and let it burn everything off his skeleton.


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