Thor has had Surfer on the ropes, but I don't recall him ever KOing him. I think he defeated Surfer in his uber-Madness form. I don't think CM could beat Madness Thor either.
Not actual human blood... I think light came out of his side when they stabbed him. And Spectre would have been going against the Presence when he fought CM. Spectre is WEAK when defying the Presence. With the Presence backing him, CM would be blinked from existance. Don't bring that up.
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Positive. CM resisted Mister Minds tyelepathy, even in a weakend condition. However, in the recent Black Reign arc in JSA, Mr. Mind and Brainwave together were able to exert very limited control (long enought to make him say Shazam).
Surfer a powerful telepath? Says who? Since when?
Savage Hulk in calm state is never 100 cl. Past fights with him against Thing, Thor, Namor, always has them getting the better of Hulk before he actually gets stronger and surpassing them. Thing and Namor were the only ones at the time who were officially NOT 100 cl, and has held their own until Hulk got stronger(100 cl) and defeated them(except Namor ) Savage Hulk never starts at 100 cl.
First off, when Surfer first tried to contain Hulk is wasnt even savage Hulk, it was Grey. Also, he was getting the help of Dr. Strange, so Surfer wasnt even doing it alone and he wasnt even using full power, but yet he was drained.
when they reverted grey Hulk back to Savage, Surfer shot ONE blast then tried to hold his arm along with Namor.
Afterwards, Surfer was drained. From what? not even using his full power plus getting the help of Dr. Strange and Namor. No excuses there Cosmic. None at all. Just admit it was a bad dispay of Surfers durability, and he cant last a slong as CM.
But does he need to? 3 good size blasts and CM's done. And no. When he didn't have the Presence backing him, the Spectre could not harm a couple street thugs. He is WEAK.
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Surfer was able to control the minds of everyone on the Earth. He's a very high level telepath.
I know quite a bit about Hulk. Hulk is capable of lifting far more than 100 tons, even while calm. Hulk fights Thing and Namor, but both realize that he is far stronger than they are. Thing resorts to tricking Hulk, and Namor uses strategy, not brute strength. Consider some of a calm Savage Hulk's feats. You will see that he is far cbove class 100.
It was a bad showing of Surfer's endurance, not durability. There is a difference.
When NAmor knocked out Hulk the 2nd time, it was due to physical force not by brains.
Endurance yes And durability in getting stabbed by the magical dagger.
Surfer not having endurance shouldnt affect his durability no? Thats just my point. The 2 are different. It seems as if when he looses his endurance , he also looses his durability.
The Presence... Meaning the guy who bosses around EVERYONE. You're saying Shazam can stand up to GOD. Zeus and the like are gods, small G. The Presence is God, big G. Meaning true omnipotence. His word is law, period.
Spectre w/ backing from Presence vs. Captain Marvel= CM blinked from existance, so that he has never existed. Don't even know why I have o argue this... Or leo's trying to piss everyone off. It's entirely possible.
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Jun 14th, 2005 02:11 AM
) Savage Hulk never starts at 100 cl.
i have seen Flash get hit by humans , Superman get's hit by people all the time ( who don't have speed what so ever) 
