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grieverr
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Actually, Sids creating Anakin is not that far of a stretch. I bought the Making of Ep3 book, and one of the earlier drafts of the script had Palpatine telling Anakin that he influenced the midichlorians to form Anakin. There was even a line that had Palps saying "You can think of me as a sort of father". (or something like that)
I'm at work now, but if you guys want clarification, when I get home tonight I can grab the book and write down specifically what it said.
In something unrelated, Han Solo was in those early drafts as well.
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May 13th, 2005 04:37 PM |
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God I hope this isn't going to be seriously considered....
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May 13th, 2005 04:39 PM |
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grieverr
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Oh, I guess I should've mentioned that scene was changed in the final script, so it's a good bet that it's not in the film.
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May 13th, 2005 04:55 PM |
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grieverr> It's been confirmed that it is [SPOILER - highlight to read]: not in the Final Draft of the Script, and not in the Final Cut of the movie . 
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May 13th, 2005 04:56 PM |
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mephistodesigns
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well if it ain't in the final draft...I guess it ain't true.
It's like saying could Luke be a girl because one draft had that in the OT.
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May 13th, 2005 05:00 PM |
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mephisto> He possibly was a girl....
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May 13th, 2005 05:03 PM |
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mephistodesigns
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with that haircut who know? damn hippies! 
and yoda is really David the Gnome....3PO is a used car salesman...Han and Obi are the same character... 
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May 13th, 2005 05:04 PM |
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keYa
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yes , of course , you'll say nearly that palp ordon to the Tuskens to bring and kill the only piece of evidence that he's come down of Tatoine to create Anakin ... hopeless
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May 13th, 2005 06:41 PM |
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BrianWilsonJedi
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Palps vaders father, lame! Hey then maybe Lucas could use the "I am your father" line again.
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May 13th, 2005 09:31 PM |
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TheFool
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If Sidious was Anakin's father, in my opinion would weaken the whole story. It is only a tragedy that Anakin falls because he was once good, if he was born to be evil, no tragedy.
On a side note, it seems assumed by some that Anakin was born to wipe out the Sith. I don't have any idea where that is ever said. What is said is that he would restore balance to the force, and it is said that the Jedi really don't know what 'bringing balance to the force' means. For a thousand years the Jedi ruled while the sith stayed hidden, after Anakin's turn there were two Sith and two Jedi left...balance.
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May 14th, 2005 07:30 AM |
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mephistodesigns
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"You were the Chosen One, you were meant to destroy the Sith, not join them!"--Obi-wan Kenobi in ROTS
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May 14th, 2005 07:34 AM |
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mephistodesigns
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and the "Balaning of the Force" means the destruction of the Sith because the Sith unbalance the Force by manipulating it's natural flow, instead of living with IN its flow as the Jedi do....as Lucas has said many times.
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May 14th, 2005 07:35 AM |
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TheFool
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"You were the Chosen One, you were meant to destroy the Sith, not join them!"--Obi-wan Kenobi in ROTS
Yet Yoda clearly states that it is completely unknown what "bringing balance to the force" means. Obi-wan may have thought he knew, but I'm sure you'd agree that Yoda would be the one who would have a handle on the prophesy if anyone did. I also don't believe the Sith manipulate the force any more than the Jedi. I don't believe there is a morality in the force. For instance, the Jedi were doing the Sith's bidding during the entire clone wars, therefore furthering the cause of evil, if the force was inherently good, rather than neutral, could this happen?
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May 14th, 2005 07:57 AM |
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mephistodesigns
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Well...then Anakin did destroy the Sith in ROTJ, and brought balance to the Force, fullfilling his destiny as the Chosen One...Lucas has said this himself. I'm pretty sure that makes it right... Lucas was also the one that said the Sith manipulate the Force and bend it to their will while Jedi live in peace with its natural flow. So again, with this coming out of Lucas' moouth....I'm gonna have to say he's right on this one.
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May 14th, 2005 08:14 AM |
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mephistodesigns
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and the Force IS neutral, which is why forcing the Force to do something outside of its nature of being a source of life and creation and vitality, like kill someone with lightening or force it to show you the future instead of simply waiting to find out its will in time...makes the act bad, not the force. The force has its powers, how you use or make use of them is what makes it good or evil.
Here, let me clarify....
the Force is like a pond. If you just float in the pond, allowing whatever current their may or may not be to take you where it takes you is the Jedi way. its respectful of the pond, and it doesn't disturb its tranquil surface. The Sith however, are basically flapping their arms through the pond, pushing waves at their enemies (envision a big spiritual wave fight from your days in the pool). They push against the current and cause waves and affect currents in the way they see fit. Now, was the current originally going to go where the Sith have now pushed it? who knows, but it most likely is not, as the Sith have changed the gentle current with their forceful waves they create. That is why they are evil, the Jedi are good, and the Force is neutral...but essentially a force for good, as it is a "life force", thus its very nature is creative and positive, not destructive and negative.
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May 14th, 2005 08:16 AM |
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jshirtoff
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I have always believed that Anakin was Palpatine's son. Here is how I think Lucas views it:
Starwars is meant to be a generational conflict. Palpatine is the grandfather, Vader the father, and Luke the grandson. Hopefully it will never be completely explained and it is only left for the true fan to realize and interpret. But I think the closest thing to an explanation is given in Revenge of the Sith when Palpatine explains to Anakin it it pretty obvious that he is explaining his origin. So yes, Palpatine created Anakin likely through a Sith incantation and Anakin is essentially an abomination. I have been saying that Palpatine is Anakin's father for years even before parts II and III came out, it is amazing to gauge people's reaction to this, it generates a lot of anger as well as astonishment. I believe Lucas intended what I have written here and he is afterall God of the Star Wars galaxy.
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dadudemon
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Well, we know that Darth Plagueis messed with the "life" creating portions of the force. Right now, the best we have to go on, as an assumption that Darth Plagueis created Anakin with the force, in Shmi.
So, no, it wasn't Palps, it was most likely Darth Plagueis. That's the generally consensus among EU fans, of course. I believe GL will not allow the writers to say that Darth Plagueis actually did it, though. It's possible that he has something in store for Anakin that he doesn't want revealed, yet. Which is kind of interesting.
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Feb 15th, 2011 02:00 AM |
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queeq
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So long ago was it that Darth Plagueis was killed? How old is Palpy?
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Feb 15th, 2011 07:38 AM |
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Im going with The Force created Anakin. Not Sideous and not Plagueis.
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BruceSkywalker
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you guys and gals have it all wrong.. I am Anakin's father  
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