Mace is second only to Yoda for a reason. Hes below Sids and Yoda, highly in my eyes. He had to block force lightning with his saber. And STRUGGLED at that. Yoda takes it and deflects it back on 2 different occasions(Dooku and Sidious).
Mace is Super Syajin lvl 1, While Yoda and Sids are both lvl 2.
As far as sheer Force power goes, Mace isn't as strong as Sidious. However, his skill with a lightsaber is obviously higher. Mace won their duel without any faking on Palpy's part. So what if he struggled against it with his saber? He still deflected it, back onto Palpy's own body I might add, causing him to be injured for at least a short amount of time. Had Anakin not stepped in, Mace would have sent Palpy back into the wholeness of the Force.
You honestly think the lightning injured Sidious? You cant be serious.
Im not saying that Sids was toying with Mace the whole fight. But he didnt have the same killer instinct that he did with Yoda. Why? Because Mace isnt as much of a threat as Yoda. Sids could have easily beat Mace with Force(lightning) attacks.
Tell me, then, why his face suddenly becomes deformed. It can't be because he's using the Dark Side of the Force, because no one else has that happen to them. Nor does it happen to Sidious any other time during the fight.
That's complete conjecture based on nothing. What makes you think Sidious didn't have "the same killer instinct"? Let's not forget Sidious' lightning was both overcome and reflected by Mace's lightsaber. I don't think Mace would be incapable of doing it again.
Of course Sidious and Yoda have far greater force power than Mace. However, Mace was good enough with his saber that he was able to defend against Sidious' force power, thus turning the battle into a saber duel, which Sidious lost. Yes, his power was mainly derived from his saber. Even so, however, *anyone* is going to be vulnerable in the moments directly following the loss of a major limb. The snide "that must have been the sum of his power, so be it" remark, then, is obviously out of place, and a twisting of words that has no real bearing on what actually happened.
I've said it many times, and I'll repeat it again. Talking about "force users" and "duelists" are very, very different things. As far as duelists go, Mace was the best. He was proficient enough in the force to neutralize the skills of those more able than himself, and strong enough with the saber to be unstoppable in straight-up fighting. Does that make him the best force user? Of course not. Yoda and Palpatine were definitely superior in that respect, as was Dooku probably. Mace, however, did one thing in particular, and he was the best at it.
Sidious knew that that was a perfect chance to "prove to Anakin that the Jedi were trying to take over. That was the "proof" that the Jedi were the ones who were corrupt. When in acuality, He was only revealing his true form. "So weak, I'm so weak!" Was all a hoax. Just like how Sidious changed the tone in his voice. His tone and appearance as Sidious is his true self and form.
Its shown through both battles. When Sids was fighting Yoda, he was doing every trick in the book. He knew that Yoda was superior to Mace in every way. Thus meaning that he had to up his lightsaber and force display in battle.
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Sidious' true form was that which we saw in TPM and AOTC, and the first half of ROTS. His skin was deformed by the lightning. Of course he changed his voice. I can change my voice when I want to sound evil lol.... of course his evil voice is his normal voice, the pleasent one is fake in his case.
It doesn't particularly matter if Yoda or Mace is the most skilled. They would never fight each other, and neither changes the fact that Sidious is a distant third.
He changed his voice just as he changed his appearance. The lightning has nothing to do with Sids face changing. That was just a perfect opportunity for him to do it.
When Anakin got hit with force lightning by Dooku, did his apperance change? NO.
When Luke got hit, did his apperance change? NO.
When Vader had the emperors lightning all over his body, did his apperance change? NO.
Lightning had NOTHING to do with the way Sids looked. He was able to change it at will just as he changed his tone of voice.
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Neither Luke nor Anakin nor Vader had the lightning thrust DIRECTLY ON THEIR FACES for extended periods of time. Luke may have been fried for longer than Palpatine, but it was spread over his entire body. On top of that, in ROTJ, Palpatine was not using his lightning as full as he could, he was toying with Luke. In ROTS, he was giving it every thing he got, which is why he finally got too tired and had to stop. FURTHERMORE, Luke's frying was intermittent, whereas Palpatine's was uninteruppted.
Think about lifting a weight. If you try to hold it up uninteruppted, you will get very tired and once you put it down be unable to lift it again. If you lift it, put it down, and lift it again, you can continue to do so for quite some time.
Moreso, physics comes into play. When Luke was given the lightning intermittently, the energy built up, then when Palpatine stopped it was dissapated. With Palpatine, the buildup continued. In order for his face to be melted, it would be required that a certain level of energy be attained in order to break atomic bonds and allow a realignment on the molecular level of Palpatine's skin, called bond dissociation energy. When Palpatine is fried for a continuous period with no interuptions (and also with the maximum energy he can muster), this energy level is attained and his skin is able to be deformed. Additionally, scientifically speaking, if Palpatine's force lightning were deflected off of the saber and returned to Palpatine, it would require that it gain energy from the interaction with the saber, otherwise the bounce, as it is called, would not be possible, so the lightning was even stronger coming back at Palpatine.
Okay, I just watched Episode III tonight. I loved it. Sure the plot wasn't as thick but this thread is not about the whole movie but about Mace and Yoda. So let me go off on that.
Mace Windu held his own with Palpatine and almost had him defeated. Anakin had to do what he had to do, in order to try to save Padme. Since Sidious couldn't kill him without Anakin's help, this is why the Sith Master needs an apprentice.
Episode III, confirms that not only is Yoda a godly Jedi but also for all you people that said that Yoda get's OWNED.... To that I say a humble **** YOU.... in a nice way. I had to get that off my chest because it was borthering me for a long time.
I had to say that it was a great duel between Yoda and Darth Sidious. Yoda defiently proved to be superior. Yoda knocked his ass for a loop. It is a shame it ended in a stalemate like I mentioned in one of the threads, but I predicted that would happen.
I think Yoda said this after he got hit by the lighting, the ****ed Sidious with a force push...
If so powerful you are, why escape?
Yoda, gave him a fight. That's what I was looking forward too throughout the whole movie. To be honest the fight between Obi-Wan and Vader was pretty awesome too.
What i'm really inquiring is that Yoda and Palpatine must have known each other long before. Because he calls him an old friend after he strikes him with is first dark side-lightling attack and he's approaching him while yoda is on the ground in order to finish him off... I wonder what that's all about....
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May 21st, 2005 04:02 AM
John 3:16 ^Thanks Ast Rofan^
