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he isn't weak to fire anymore. unless supes got that red Kryptonite from Smallville (the tv show) and decided to burn an orphanage or a cross with akid on it down.
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Yea, he can still be hurt by fire. But he can also go intagible... Can MM use his telepathy while intangible? If so, he's got this easy. Even if he can't I'd give it to him like 7/10. Jonn will never win in a comic, but still. That's just cuz it's Superman.
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It was initially thought that Martians had a physiological vulnerability to fire. Now, after a desperate rewrite, it has become an implanted psychological vulnerability that was set up in order to keep them from enjoying their full potential as Burning Martians and being too powerful.
This makes Superman's heat vision much less of a factor.
So what does it come down to?
Common Traits:
Strength
Although Martian Manhunter can alter his strength to a degree, he would still only be within range of Superman's level, not equal to it. And he wouldn't be able to maintain such an adjustment indefinitely.
Superman would still have the advantage.
Speed
This is similar to the strength issue. Even augmented, Martian Manhunter only approaches Superman's level, but Superman is still superior.
Durability (physical)
Again, Superman comes out on top.
Flight
Speed may affect this, but as that's already been addressed, neither has a definitive edge here. Both are able to fly with excellent control.
Martian Manhunter's Additional Abilites:
Telepathy
This is probably the most significant factor in the fight against Superman, as it's the only area where he really has an advantage (and a huge one, at that).
Superman has the strongest will on the planet (JLA #52), but without any actual mental powers of his own, he'll eventually succumb to Martian Manhunter's assault.
Intangibility
I see this being put to better use defensively than offensively. If he is able to use this in conjunction with his telepathy, then it's pretty much over for Supes.
Superman's Additional Abilities:
Heat Vision
Although MM has overcome his psychological vulnerability to fire, that doesn't mean it won't hurt him. Superman's heat vision isn't a simple bonfire; as far as I'm aware, it's multiple times hotter than the surface of the sun, perhaps approaching, or even exceeding, the core.
What it comes down to is whether Martian Manhunter uses intangibility and telepathy together. If so, he wins after slowly crushing Superman's mind. If not, he loses after delivering some serious pain to the Man of Steel.
I think Superman would win. He has the main advantages and he's not really susceptible to having a psionic being try to incapacitate him with telekinesis. He usually fights through it and gives a pounding.
The shifting between super hard and opacity for Martian would make it difficult.. but Superman is faster both on land and air. Not to mention the heat rays (thats only if Martian is still afraid of fire)
MM strength is jack shit after a few minutes.
His durability is also jack after a few.
He's said himself, he can stay at superman's level for only a couple minutes, then his body breaks down.
If he can't take Superman down with his TK or Telepathy, he's as good as dead.
OH man!!!
Now MM has no weaknesses?
AM I the only one seeing how the comic book industry is screwing themselves up?
Practically everybody is getting godlike.
Who will be left to fight?
Superman wins 7/10. MM would win if he could get inside Superman's head--which might be a little tough when he's speed-blitzing him with his heat vision.
Like others have said, MM can augment his body to approach Superman's level of strength/speed/etc. but only for a while. Then he's screwed. Plus, Superman has beaten Martians before (JLA:New World Order) and the White Martians telepathy was only a notch or two under MMs.
MM could still win a couple of times if he was sneaky about it though.
Nah, in DC 20 tons is like a teen superhero's strength level.
It's considered pretty weak. I still think it's sad that about 1/2 of the DCU earth heroes can approach/surpass Quicksilver's speed--and he's supposed to be the fastest guy on Marvel earth! (well, besides Sentry...).
DCU hero: Escape velocity? That aint ****
Quicksilver: o_O
i agree, MM takes it.
And by the way that crap about MM only being able of having that type of durability during one minute, i think its crap, does that appear in any comic?
what did appear in one comic was superman saying MM was the most powerful being living on earth.
youīre forgetting fighting skills, MM is a better fighter then supes, and he also can go invisible, supes would have troble fighting against what he canīt see.
about his intagibility, MM canīt pass trough force fields, and supes has a force field trough his body, so i donīt know how that would work.
It was in JLA#86 where supes said "I can count on one hand the number of beings in the known universe I would be afraid to face in open combat. Jonn J'onzz is at the top of that list. He is the most powerful being on the face of the earth."
Also, concerning martian manhunter's strength and other abilities, he's very near supes, while not being as powerful as supes in each one of his abilities. The martian manhunter's strength level is listed as incalculable on the official dc comics website. He has on one occasion help in moving the earth along with superman and wonderwoman. They didn't succeed overall in moving the earth the distance they wanted too, but the three of them did move it together before losing in and being assisted by Kyle and Manitou(If that's how its spelled). He's also taken down more than one white martian at a time physical during the JLA battles with the white martians. The martian manhunter's more of a scientist, psychologist or Philosopher, he likes or perfers to deal with challenges uses his mental powers, but has the physical attributes that rival that of earth's most powerful heroes. There are only a few on earth who equal him physically and maybe just a couple who exceed him.
Superman has incalculable strength(so high, can't accurately be measured) as well, but it a incalculable amount that is higher than J'onn's.
its easy, supes may be a litlle stronger but he wouldnīt crush MM in seconds it would take a while, and iīm not even counting MM other powers and fighting abbilities, iīm just saying he has enough endurance to resist against supes attacks time enough to mind-rape him.
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