Resiliance as one would expect from a man who endured this sort of damage (and even more severe when Foreman was wound up early in the fight) and went on to to take the guy out:
(And unlike in Lee's case we can actually see Foreman putting the pain on both bag and opponent many times over.)
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Last edited by Sadako of Girth on Jan 10th, 2012 at 10:36 PM
Considering the Pro-Lee-boys have yet to post a relevant fact that would pertain Bruce Lee's fighting capabilities/chances against one the the best heavyweights, no, what I said.
LoL, an internet poll that shows there's many a Bruce Lee fanboy who buys into the myth. This is news how?
I actually had a pre-emptive response to the "rules screw over Wing Chun" argument in my last post, but I deleted it because I didn't think you'd bring it up. Those rules are recent additions to the MMA scene, and wing chun didn't fare any better during the days of No Holds Barred. David Levicki is an example of that. There are still Vale Tudo organizations who believe in the "purity" of combat and use open rulesets (Rio Heroes/Jungle Fight/etc) yet no one comes in with Wing Chun "limb break blocking" and chain punches.
Even with the rules, you claim wing chunners can break limbs by blocking, which is still legal. Do you realize how much that would revolutionize modern combat? They wouldn't care about the loss of the other techniques. They'd be the ultimate fighters with that alone, yet not one has done anything of note.
If you narrow down all the problems inherent in having no recorded fights, then yes, it's just "one" thing against Lee. Unfortunately, that is the most important thing when discussing a fight between two fighters.
I'm not saying Wing Chun could never work, but there is little to no evidence backing these techniques you describe.
Last edited by StyleTime on Jan 11th, 2012 at 02:14 AM
Pretty much. I don't see why it's so hard to believe for some people.
Before the criticisms arrive, I'd like to point out that grappling with boxing gloves on is extremely difficult. Ali isn't a world class wrestler but his strength, size, and limited knowledge would be enough to deal what we've seen from Lee.
The sad truth is, the vast majority of the general public would vote for Lee.
Last edited by StyleTime on Jan 11th, 2012 at 02:31 AM
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Considering that the Pro-Ali-Boys have yet to legitimately counter the various arguments concerning Lee's abilities and fighting prowess, no what I said.
Lol, and internet thread that shows there are many pages arguing about this some how proves Ali would win, right? That wins the argument, how?
No, Ali's verified fight record, height and weight advantage means he'd win this hypothetical fight.
No, the Pro-Lee-Boys did and continue to get "pwned", cos they argue based on legends and "this guys said" type of arguments, while Ali has a proven record.
Lee has a verified win by submission hold against another Chinese dojo master so we know Lee would and could use a ground game.
Ali would seem to be quite out of his element against mixed martial arts especially if you consider that Inoki was gimped for the fight. This is what people have been saying for pages and what the Ali people still refuse to believe.
Think of it this way: put my strength into a 135lb body (I weigh more than Ali did for his matches), add unparalleled speed, then add in the foundations of modern MMA with a proven martial arts style, and you get Lee. That's just ridiculous. An absurd match-up for a boxer that proved he doesn't do very well against unorthodox fighting styles.
No, the Pro-Ali-Boys did and continue to get "pwned" as they clearly show their martial art ignorance based on their supposed "legend" of a boxer.
You continue to self-pwn.
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Last edited by dadudemon on Jan 11th, 2012 at 06:18 AM
I am not...at least in upper-body strength. I cannot take 70 lbs and hold it straight out in front of me like Lee could. That's a very strong upper body strength feat. In fact, that's just stupid strong for someone that weighs 135-145 lbs. To be honest, it hurts quite a bit to do the same feat with just 60lbs...much less even attempting 70.
I would give upper body strength to Lee in this . I did a attribute by attribute analysis of Lee vs. Ali many pages back and it came into favor of Lee by a comfortable margin.
Street fighting experience: Lee
Strength: Lee (because Ali will not be using his lower body strength)
Speed: Lee by leaps and bounds.
Endurance: Lee
Heart: Ali by leaps and bounds.
Experience against high caliber fighters: Ali
Diversity in Skills: Lee by leaps and bounds
Reach: I would be Lee's kicks on par with the speed of Ali's punches so I will give this to Lee but only be a small margin.
Size: Ali
Durability: Ali by leaps and bounds.
Overall, it favors Lee. If Lee was very weak but still had his speed, I would give it to Ali. But Lee has strength behind his stupid fast speed. Lee also has many other things going for him that make an street fight or an MMA fight in Lee's favor.
These are all things I covered already.
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