"Tremendous" difficulty it says. Jango was trying to kill Mace and had "tremendous" difficulty. Mace smirks and kills him. Literally.
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
Absolutly, nobody should forget about Exar Kun. He's at least top two Sith of all time and may even top Sidious himself.
""Exar was an exceptional duelling master.
He also was able to freeze the entire (which had jedi that were in the building) with one spell and then rescue his apprentice and kill an extremely powerful jedi master and nobody could do a thing about it. This jedi master was also very similar to Yoda and been training for 600 years, also remember that the jedi master was training during the height or war in the republic so he knew battle better than Yoda did.
The jedi order also sent thousands of jedi to kill Exar. He was able to repel all of them long enough to preserve his spirit for thousands of years.
And Exar did study alot, Vodo-Baas says that Exar is the most powerful student he has ever trained and the most powerful force user of that time, and Vodo was similar to Yoda, he trained lots of jedi over a long period of time, and if Exar was the best, that means something.
Exar also studied alot, he was fascinated by the sith teachings in Vodo's holocron. Exar also learned under the ancient sith, like Freedon Nadd and Marka Ragnos, he would still be very smart. It is also worth noting that the ancient sith said that Exar would be the one to bring about the golden age of the sith and said that he was the Dark Lord of the Sith, over Ulic-Qel Droma.
Exar Kun was also able to destroy the entire massassani race, quite a feat. He drained their life force and used it to prolong his life.
His apprentice, Ulic, was a powerful jedi and dueller in his own right, but Exar was his unquestioned master and the ancient sith said that Kun would be the dark lord, not Ulic, this means that Kun is stronger than Ulic was.
He was also able to hide as a sith in the middle of the jedi stronghold (Ossus) and recruit jedi to become sith, without the jedi even knowing what he was doing, that's got to take some pretty impreesive power. He decived the best jedi in the order, took sith stuff and recruited new allies from the midst of the jedi ranks, lied to the jedi masters, and they couldn't even tell it was going on! Also, this planet (and its sun) were later blown up by Kun so anybody after him would have no knowledge of those things that Exar knew.
Also, he invented his own lightsaber, Exar was the person who invented the double blade lightsaber. He also designed his own unique style of duelling, something that he never tought to anyone and was lost after his defeat. So nobody other than him and Ulic had any idea what to expect from him (everyone else he faced ended up dead)
He is also an amazing dueller, after he decided to try against Vodo (a lightsaber master), Vodo died in around 10 seconds, before that Kun was just toying with him. Toying with him! In the middle of the senate chamber on the same planet as the jedi temple, he could still toy with one of the best duellers in the jedi order and win hands down.
Kun also learned loads of stuff from Ossus, which was later destroyed by him so anyone after him couldn't have learned anything from it, he also used sith holocrons and had the private notes of Naga Sadow, another sith who could blow up a sun. Naga was also a dark lord of the sith from 1000 years before Exar and was Marka Ragnos apprentice and had an amazing grasp of the dark side, Exar learned it all.
Kun was able to walk into the heart of the republic senate, freeze them all, kill their leader and a jedi master, and walk out, nobody could do a thing. This is in the heart of the jedi order! He was also able to kill a beast which is probably very similar to a terentek, or better, with very few problems. Exar was also able to walk into another jedi stronghold (Ossus), kill more jedi, steal the artifacts, and walk out again, unharmed. He was also able to destroy Freedon Nadd with no problems.
Think about how he died, he was faced against 10 000 jedi, and the republic fleet. Under those circumstances, anyone would have died. Exar died sure, but he was able to hold the entire fleet off with the force until he was able to figure out a plan to keep himself alive. Exar was able to kill off an entire race, numbering thousands, to keep himself alive, sure he was killed 4000 years later, but it still took 14 jedi, 12 padawans, Luke and Kuns old master to kill him. Think about it, 2 lightsabers, 12 padawans/knights, 2 jedi masters (including one of the most powerful jedi ever; Luke and the old version of Yoda, Vodo-Baas, he trained lots of jedi, for some reason I think of him like an old Yoda), to kill off Kun's 4000 year old ionized air particles! He must have been near godlike when he was alive.
When Kun walked, the ground shook underneath him from the shear power of the dark side emanating from his body.
Exar did invent his own style of lightsaber combat, the double blade, also, his double blade was different than any other double blade. He was able to move it faster and aim more than with other double blades. Also, since few people had never seen a double bladed sabre, it would throw them off. He can move his lightsaber so quickly that almost anyone he faced would be sliced before he knew what was going on.
Exar wore armor with a cortosis weave in it, allowing him to recieve hits from a lightsaber without doing him damage.
He was also a powerful sith alchemist and created several beasts.""
Apparently wearing armor and making your own lightsaber are qualifications for UNBELIEVABLE power.
Someone wanna school this guy?
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__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
I think he just read Kun's entry on Wookieepedia and listed it all off here.
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
Anyways...You got me on two points I make, how about the other twenty stated? It's the collection, both force and non-force qualifications, that make Exar Kun a badass.
Yes pretty much for the most part. It's why I put quotations on it an made it completely apparent....because I knew people like you would call it out. You'll have to excuse me though because not all of it is necessarily from a pedia, and is from other research I did over the net . To be completely honest I just copy/paste'd it from an old post I did back in the day. But anyways, regardless of what you think of the information, it is as a whole a pretty huge feat worthy of putting him over Sidious
no its not. 90% of the "feats" within your laundry list of impressive acts is wanking performed by other characters around him (i.e. vodo), and fighting people who dont have any substantiated powers (i.e. vodo, ulic, some massasi).
I wouldn't say 90%.... But anyways, the fact that he alone walked into the jedi stronghold and killed vodo and none of the other jedi dared to even stop or face him suggests his power was very extreme. I doubt Sidious would have even done what Exar did...
true, but maybe those jedi were pathetic. Sidious was around in the golden age of the republic. The fact that no jedi even tried to stop him is pretty much proof positive that no Jedi of Yoda or Mace or Anakin or even Kenobi's ilk existed.
I agree to an extent. That extent being there's no proof saying Exar is stronger than Sidious or vice versa. There's really no way of gauging how powerful jedi were in Exar's reign as opposed to Sidious's reign, but to assume they were all pathetic would probably be naive. Golden age of the republic or not, it would be suicide for a lone sith to walk into the republic senate and expect to walk out alive with the intentions Exar had.
The post I quoted was from '05, by Darkstar. [SPOILER - highlight to read]: That's why it says "Lord Darkstar August 30th, 2005" at the top. It looks identical to yours.
Even though several Jedi did try to stop him... no it isn't.
Fair enough, your opinion is your own. I really don't think I'm a dumb though. For the most part anyways :P lol
Sideous is powerful enough and would succeed according to who? You? Thats just speculation and your opinion. Don't forget Mace almost killed Sideous. Some argue that Sideous threw the fight, but concidering what Mace did to Sideous, whether he threw it or not, I highly doubt Sideous could walk into the senate and "succeed" in a fight at all. I could just as well chalk that up to "arrogance and lack of intelligence" on your part.
All in all Exar did walk into the senate and did succeed, and your just assuming that Sideous could do the same. Which mind your Sideous did do, but it was with intellect rather than fighting skills. If this was an intellectual fight without lightsabre's and the force Sideous all the way, but thats really not what I'm argueing.
May 6th, 2010 02:32 AM
. To be completely honest I just copy/paste'd it from an old post I did back in the day. But anyways, regardless of what you think of the information, it is as a whole a pretty huge feat worthy of putting him over Sidious
