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Zahit
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Spiderman was ALWAYS a ten-ton lifter.
Hulk ALWAYS had potentially limitless strength.
Wolverine DID NOT always take the punishment he does now.
Marvel kept writing him more and more powerful the more
popular he became, and the more fanboys mailed marvel about it.
This is not a hard concept to grasp.

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Tha C-Master
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Regardless, wolvie ain't immortal , and he has been hyped up many times.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Zahit
Spiderman was ALWAYS a ten-ton lifter.
Hulk ALWAYS had potentially limitless strength.
Wolverine DID NOT always take the punishment he does now.
Marvel kept writing him more and more powerful the more
popular he became, and the more fanboys mailed marvel about it.
This is not a hard concept to grasp.


Teenage Spider-man was not in the 10 range...


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Zahit
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quote: (post)
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Teenage Spider-man was not in the 10 range...

When Marvel introduced Spiderman in 1962, they clearly stated
that the only other Marvel heroes who were stronger than him
then were Thor, Hulk, and Thing. When he started he was
most definitely at or close to the 10-ton mark.

In the original Marvel Universe Handbook in 1983,
it clearly stated that Wolverine could lift over 500 pounds.
Now they say he can lift 800 pounds.
The fanboys argue that he can lift 1 or 2 tons.
Now Wolverine gets knocked across the room by Daredevil in one book,
then takes 2 from Namor without falling in another book, same month.
Is this how you want them to write your favorite character?
Is this what you call consistency?
Get the picture?

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Tha C-Master
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Wolverine fanboyism period.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Zahit
When Marvel introduced Spiderman in 1962, they clearly stated
that the only other Marvel heroes who were stronger than him
then were Thor, Hulk, and Thing. When he started he was
most definitely at or close to the 10-ton mark.

In the original Marvel Universe Handbook in 1983,
it clearly stated that Wolverine could lift over 500 pounds.
Now they say he can lift 800 pounds.
The fanboys argue that he can lift 1 or 2 tons.
Now Wolverine gets knocked across the room by Daredevil in one book,
then takes 2 from Namor without falling in another book, same month.
Is this how you want them to write your favorite character?
Is this what you call consistency?
Get the picture?


I already said that Wolverine has two different powerlevels (in this tread even) one for fighting high level bricks and one for fighting street level heroes. Is powerlevel isn't all over the place... it is in one of two places


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Tha C-Master
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Yea,thats not fair, you might as well say CU spidey and spidey are the same and interchangeable to use in a debate.


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Zahit
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well there SHOULDN'T be 2 wolverines.
there is only ONE wolverine.
and he should be portrayed consistantly!
and that......is the problem with marvel comics.

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Originally posted by Zahit
well there SHOULDN'T be 2 wolverines.
there is only ONE wolverine.
and he should be portrayed consistantly!
and that......is the problem with marvel comics.


Could be worse, he could be Superman.


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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Could be worse, he could be Superman.

these days, he is.

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#021 Xavier Protocol Zero Two One
Wolverine

Key sequence: Warren Worthington, Scott Summers, Jean Grey Summers

“Since the loss of his adamantium, Wolverine has become both more and less of a threat. He is divested of his unbreakable skeleton - but his senses and his mutant healing factor have been increased to incredible levels. What would have been a lethal wound to Wolverine three years ago would now be a momentary annoyance. Any assault on Wolverine, in the event of his sanity breaking, would have to be long-range and decisive. His head would have to be severed, and removed utterly from the vicinity of his body to prevent swift flesh and nerve regrowth.“
i think they meant before he got his adamantium back. i think now his healing factor isnt this strong


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Originally posted by Zahit
In the original Marvel Universe Handbook in 1983,
it clearly stated that Wolverine could lift over 500 pounds.
Now they say he can lift 800 pounds.


Cry me a river, the same things you're saying is happening to Wolverine is happening to other characters as well.

Iceman has gotten insanely powerful, as has Magneto.

And even dear old Spiderman. In fact his strength upgrade is more than Wolverine's was.


5 tons > 300 pounds.


You want consistency? Go buy a math book.

Consistency has never existed in comics.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Creshosk
Cry me a river, the same things you're saying is happening to Wolverine is happening to other characters as well.

Iceman has gotten insanely powerful, as has Magneto.

And even dear old Spiderman. In fact his strength upgrade is more than Wolverine's was.


5 tons > 300 pounds.


You want consistency? Go buy a math book.

Consistency has never existed in comics.



hes got a point there but explaniations are allways nice

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Originally posted by Creshosk
You want consistency? Go buy a math book.

Consistency has never existed in comics.


Yes it has, you monster...

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Yes it has, you monster...
I'm going to bombard 6 people with radiation. . . They should all get the same power. . .

Lets see this one transforms into a creature that gets stronger the madder he gets. . .

This one bursts into flame and can fly and shoot flame.

This one turned into a superstrong rock creature.

This one can turn invisible and project force feilds

This one can stretch like crazy

This one seems to have gotten some wierd radar sense


Now then, lets move onto genetic mutation known as the X-Gene. . .


This one seems to be able to manipulate metal. . .

This one seems to be a telepath . . .


Get the point?


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I'm going to bombard 6 people with radiation. . . They should all get the same power. . .

Lets see this one transforms into a creature that gets stronger the madder he gets. . .

This one bursts into flame and can fly and shoot flame.

This one turned into a superstrong rock creature.

This one can turn invisible and project force feilds

This one can stretch like crazy

This one seems to have gotten some wierd radar sense


Now then, lets move onto genetic mutation known as the X-Gene. . .


This one seems to be able to manipulate metal. . .

This one seems to be a telepath . . .


Get the point?


Is that really inconsistency, though?

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Is that really inconsistancy, though?
Yes. Yes, it is.

Ten different people have ten different powers due to the same reason, is inconsistency.


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Different wavelengths of radiation maybe? Different genotypes coupled with the same X gene could produce near limitless possibilities. Inconsistency is present, but consistency is not totally absent.

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Different wavelengths of radiation maybe?
The fantastic four were hit by the same patch of radiation. . .

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Different genotypes coupled with the same X gene could produce near limitless possibilities. Inconsistency is present, but consistency is not totally absent.
There could probably be a range as to what it could produce but nothing as wild as everything from Magnetic control to telepathy to super strength . . etc. . .


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So if they write Wolverine flying it outer space and shooting lasers from his eyes there would be no problem?


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