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Is KOTOR better than ROTS?
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Janus Marius
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Honestly? ROTS is greater than KOTOR. Why? Well, ROTS completed a saga that was the virtual origins of the game. It came with a couple of very heated, dynamic and dramatic scenes... one of which was the most anticipated scene in sci-fi history. It brought about amazing merchandising potential in the form of novels, comic book series, cartoon miniseries, video games and even replicas, clothing, and a kick up in sales of Darth Vader gear worldwide.

ROTS was a tremendous undertaking, requiring training on the part of the actors, work in the form of computer graphics specialists, studio technicians, and an aggressive promo campaign by marketing crews. ROTS was a reason for people to take the day off of work or school and to camp out, sometimes even for days, awaiting to buy a single movie ticket to see the show once. Or perhaps repeatedly. Some even sat through the entire six movie saga.

ROTS was successful and great enough to spawn its own KMC subforum, to respark the life into the Star Wars saga, and to set standards by which the rest of the series will be judged.

This, in my opinion, outshines Game of the Year KOTOR by far.


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Please.... One or two generations from now, people will be picking up ROTS in the contemporary classics section at the video store, while KOTOR will be in the bargain bin or worse, on eBay for archaic systems alongside Duck Hunt and Bayou Billy.

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the PT is just GL wiping his ass and putting it on film.


Quoted for ****ing truth.

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ROTS

One thing is for sure, KOTOR has better dialogue than ROTS. ROTS, I Mace, Yoda, Obi wan, and Palpatine were all great. .

Now for General Grievous, a two minute character with two minute buildup. When he died I did not feel the same regret as when Dooku died. He really didn't receive enough build up for any form of attatchments from the audience.

For Portman, is it just me or did everyone feel she acted poorly? Hayden, I thing everyone can agree was forced and wimpy for the "vaunted" position of Anakin Skywalker. Their dialogues, IMO, were either cheap or hopelessly sappy and pathetic. They overacted in so many positions. At many times their voice seemed to either lack emotion, or have too much of it. It's to bad, because they were what propelled the story forward.

The plot/story was well done. The problem though was we all knew what would end up happening. That reduces a lot of the suspense, which really detracts from the movie experience. The music was superb , I hand it to Williams on that.

KOTOR.

The characters were superb to say the least. You explore each of them, their backgrounds and what makes them tick. You see Revan develop with them. Revan and Canderous for example grow to respect one another because of their experiences at war. The dialogue seems perfect for each character, and their voices were of cinemaesque quality. KOTOR beats out ROTS in this area, hands down. At some points the voice acting was poor, but usually these were limited to random encounters with NPCs.

The story was also excellent, especially the part where we discover the PC was actually once the dark lord of the Sith. Interesting plot twists could be made, with Revan falling in love with either Carth or Bastila. Also, the Star Forge, the uber weapon of destruction plot was fitting.

The music was good, but still does not beat down ROTS. KOTOR loses here.

So IMO, KOTOR was a bit better than ROTS.

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I still stand by this.

And this..
As KotOR ages it is not the price change that will matter, its the memories that it brought with it are the internal aspects.


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It doesnt matter how much it will sell for, it will be remembered as the best Star Wars game, and as the game that set the standard for Xbox RPGs.l And that sir is something to be proud of.

What, you dont thank it took the developers time to make it, you dont think it cost them headaches, and long lasting emotional problems. So dont say that the movie took tremendous undertaking tasks, and not feel the same for KotOR.


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Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
Quoted for ****ing truth.

Come again?


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I agreed with your statement completely.

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Come again?


Stop quadruple posting, fanboy.

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And I'll gladly post my reasons.

Why the OT >>> PT IMO.

1) Lack of a strong villain. Unlike the OT, where Vader was the man to fear for the entire trilogy, the PT had no strong villain figure. Palpatine just sat in the background scheming and plotting never really doing anything evil until halfway through RotS. Every time we meet a strong villain character (Maul, Dooku, Grevious), they die very quickly and we never get to a point where they could be recognized and feared. If Lucas had let Maul escape after he killed Qui-Gon instead of being killed, then had him lead the seperatists in Episode II before finally being killed by Obi-Wan in Episode III, things would have been a lot better on that front. Or perhaps introducing Darth Tyranus in TPM (Which would have been cool, since he trained Qui-Gon).

2) Lack of a strong group dynamic. In the OT, Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, R2 and Threepio all knew and interacted with each other in various ways. TPM was able to capture this feeling with Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Padme, R2 and Jar Jar, but it completely dissapeared after that. It became a "Chain" as opposed to a "net." Padme interacted only with Anakin (which made her seem somewhat like a 5th wheel), who interacted only with her and Obi-Wan, who interacted only with Anakin and Yoda/Mace. See? No group, there. It really hurt the feel and cohesion of the movie. Instead of watching seperate parts of one story that weaved through each other from time to time, it felt like we were watching several completely seperate stories that coalesced into one at the very end.

3) Lack of a strong lead actor and lead actress. Covered above.

4) Lack of beliavability. Anakin's fall to the dark side was WAAAY too rushed. It just felt like "OK, just killed my master in a spur of the moment event. Guess I'm evil now, so I'll go and slaughter everyone I ever knew and loved. I'll even kill the kids so I seem even more evil. Oh... maybe I should be a bit remorseful too, so I guess I'll go off and cry for a bit."

5) Lack of strong space battles. TPM's space battle wasn't bad, but it didn't capture the epic feeling of either of the Death Star Battles. RotS's space scene was ho-hum at best. The whole thing felt like it was on rails a la Starfox.

6) Narrow-view of the Star Wars universe. Again, aside from TPM, the entire series is focused almost entirely on the Jedi and their way of life. In the OT, we had a smuggler, a rebel leader, a Jedi and an business man. Each of these gave us a seperate view of the galaxy. In the PT, it really just felt like you were following an upper-class noble around and had no chance to get a feel for some of the "cooler" parts of the galaxy like the Mos Eisley cantina.

7) We knew the story already. This really couldn't be helped, but it did hurt the movies.

8) Lacked the epic feeling of the OT. In the Battle of Yavin, the fate of the Rebellion was in the hands of a handful of rebel pilots hurtling towards the seemingly-unstoppable might of the Death Star. At the Battle of Endor, the destiny of the entire Galaxy sat on a razors edge as the forces of good and evil clashed in a final battle of titanic proportions. There were no such instances in the PT. Just a sudden takeover by the Empire and a slaughter of the Jedi. Maybe if the Republic had at least put up a fight before it got taken over, things would have been better.

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Anyone agree/disagree?

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Heh completely agree with you buddy. Lucas should realize that special effects are not what movies are completely about

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Star Wars videogames are what I have to look forwad to now that a legendary saga has come to an end. Ofcoure theres the TV show in 07. Can I ask you all a question how many of you went to Celebration 3.
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ok the ? hmmm kotor in my opinion is the greatest game ever in the star wars trilogy gameplay: yep, story: ohh yea, twists: you bet your ass there were twist. But ROTS was also a great game just not nearly as well-done as kotor plus i already new everthing still an awesome game
KotOR:9.7
ROTS:8.8

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shit y did i put trilogy i meant out of all the SW games not just the ones from the movies since this is EU that would not make since srry bout tat

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In my opinion, which I won't change so don't try, Knights of the Old Republic TWO is better than the Prequel Trilogy... combined.


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Originally posted by Janus Marius
I still stand by this.

And this..

Well, it looked like the physical training was the only thing the actors had for them, the acting sucked. Out of the three good leads Mcgregor was the only decent one.


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Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
I agreed with your statement completely.

Well thank you.


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But back on topic, KOTOR outclasses ROTS.

It captures the essence of the original Star Wars films with a great cast that meshes together well, a cool plot, a detailed backstory, great combat system and a badass villain. It had IMO the best plot twist in video game history.

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It had IMO the best plot twist in video game history.


Everyone always tells me they knew way before hand that they were Revan. I personally don't understand how anyone could have figured it out. Sure you knew something about your character was not right... but to be Revan himself?

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