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Bardock42
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Originally posted by Clovie
That is not very wise way of thinking, dear.


Well, why not.....?


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Because you're disparaging one of the strongest political systems... There are still a lot of countries who are 'doing' it confused


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Yes and it is sad...cause Communism really is probably the worst idea since someone thought aboot sticking his finger up his butthole and fart......

Its just the least natural and most stupid thing ever.......


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And what is natural? huh


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Survival of the Fittest.......and at least to some extend this is kept in Capitalism....


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Not really. Capitalism in the economical structure is ok, but the political system which goes with it is same faking-stealing as communist one erm


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Oh I never said it is "fair" in the sense some people think the word "fair" should be defined...but it is still a much better system....a system with chances for people...not like communism....communism is the bullshit system....well as long as there are no majotr changes in our world


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Actually there is a lot of people who were happier when we had communism here blink


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Who cares aboot people being happy......its a backwards system...there would be no Forward Motion...everything would stay still.......Just look at Germany one part Capitalistic one Communist..........which one was way better?


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Communism isn't evil. Neither is it Bullshit. And I only left Russia to get better education. My mother and father wanted me to go to good colleges like Pace and stuff. And what has the Soviet Union did wrong to hurt ANY people at all? And how does Vladimir Putin cheat?


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Who cares aboot people being happy......its a backwards system...there would be no Forward Motion...everything would stay still.......Just look at Germany one part Capitalistic one Communist..........which one was way better?
have you seen 'goodbye, lenin'?
And i don't agree. The thing is that people should be happy. the country is for people and not people for country. you do actually think the same way as communists did.

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And what has the Soviet Union did wrong to hurt ANY people at all? And how does Vladimir Putin cheat?
you are kidding right? blink Ask mommy.
and as for W. Putin. i'm no getting into this subject.


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Communism isn't evil. Neither is it Bullshit. And I only left Russia to get better education. My mother and father wanted me to go to good colleges like Pace and stuff. And what has the Soviet Union did wrong to hurt ANY people at all? And how does Vladimir Putin cheat?


On the second one Clovie will answer...although I'd have to say Starve 20 million of their own farmers wasn't a nice move



Anyways actually it is....it wants al people to be the same...and they are just not, its an overly idealistic idea that cannot work when we are talking aboot that many people...further doesn't it even work out...it is totally unstable and a perfect state for corruption....communism thinks all people are selfless and goo....but the truth is they are not...they are selfish....not evil but selfish and it won't work ever except if there are not very massive changes on earth....


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have you seen 'goodbye, lenin'?
And i don't agree. The thing is that people should be happy. the country is for people and not people for country. you do actually think the same way as communists did.


Quite on the contrary...communist think that the state is for the people...I believe that too that is right but I believe that people should work for a greater good......


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Quite on the contrary...communist think that the state is for the people...I believe that too that is right but I believe that people should work for a greater good......
no!
They think that state and people are for the Party.
and it is their main mistake.


And starving ppl is not the worst. they were killing them, torturing. (their own citizens without any serious reasons) plus allthe big brother-like crap sad


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Well you realize that that was the Soviet Union...not the Communists...big difference.......and it goes both way......the state is for the people, cause they created them...at the same time the state has to keep its people weak and satisfied......and people should think for the fgood of humankind, not their own...that is the best way...


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it was communists. *points China and North Corea*

why should state keep ppl weak? huh


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No no no..its not communist...communist is a whole different idea....it is an idealistic idea ...read Marx

North Corea, China and the Soviet Union wer/are totalitarian systems...that perverted communism to leninism or Stalinism......you have to see those as different systems


Because it has to....if its people get to strong they could revolt.....and would.


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i don't feel like reading Marx confused
but you're right... kinda...
though... i thought we're talking about communism in practice, and that would be USSR etc.


But if they're happy they won't revolt.


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Originally posted by Clovie
i don't feel like reading Marx confused
but you're right... kinda...
though... i thought we're talking about communism in practice, and that would be USSR etc.


But if they're happy they won't revolt.


Well then its ok


Yes that's part of it..you can use either, happiness (very hard to achieve), suppression, teachings.....


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you agreed? eek!


exactly..i think the happiness works the best (and by it i mean the education, employment and general wealthiness)


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