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Yes, Venus is the "Morning Star"....Astronomy was big back then...

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Thats because the stars (meaning planets) were the etherial beyond. And they moved which made them way cooler than the "celestial sphere"

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i think he exists but i think he exists for purgatory reasons, if no one is sure of were your supposed to go you get sent back and satan or Lucifer gets to work on you to try and make you sin, i think it's up to you individually to resisit this and try to make good of the time givven to you.
Now having said that i think he exists but probably not in the form that we imagine, it could very well be that he's from another religion, it could be the islamic version we deal with when we die, i mean who's to know which religion is right and true or are they all part of Gods plan to apeal to the different peoples of the world but the fundimetals are or must be the same.


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Lucifer symbolizes the birth of the universe, thats why lucifer mean 'light bearer' and thats why it is associated to Venus the "morning star", but it was twisted over time.

Light bearer and venus all refer to birth or creation. Venus is associated to birth and creation, and Lucifer is a personification of Venus. The greek name of Venus, 'Phosphorous' also means 'light bearer'


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Here's a nice point for ya all: Lucifer, Satan & Beelzebub are different beings in religion. They are all different Fallen Angels.


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i dont think God or Satan excist in any way shape or form

but if God excists then there is as much reason to belive Satan is since its all based on belief anyway, there is no possible facts for either, apart from blaming acts on them, "i stabbed this guy coz Satan made me", " I rescued a dog from the river because God would look kindly upon this act", those sort of things have no proof or evidence, but then neither do God or Satan

infact by reading a lot of these posts in these forums, it sounds like God is the evil one, Satan is the good guy and God is a dark entity who is making us pray to him and such like an arrogent being


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I agree with you. But attribute good = God, bad = Satan?


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well God is usually looked upon as "good" and Satan as "bad" ofcourse its all a diffrence point of view and diffrent human morales


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Not really. Satan never did anything bad. It's just a hangover from old Christian values.


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Not really. Satan never did anything bad. It's just a hangover from old Christian values.


Seen that film with Johnny Depp about the devil. Very interseting. Lucifer was just another diety. Much more interesting. All God does is bully you.


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well imo God is the bad one, Satan just gets the flak, if you belive the christan point of view of heaven and hell its God who sends you to hell, not Satan, hes just doing his job, its like shooting the delivery man because your pizza was pepperoni instead of meat feast when its the cooks fault


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Same here, I agree. Satan is only represented as bad because of Christianities views.


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Same here, I agree. Satan is only represented as bad because of Christianities views.


Another religon I find interesting is Luciferanism. Gotia is interesting as well. Basically the concept of demons being not evill and just another group of entities I find interesting as well.

Maybe ive said too much. Im not a freak really.


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True as well. I've lately been researching Satanism, and in fact they don't even believe in Satan, he just represents their set of views and morals.


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Another religon I find interesting is Luciferanism. Gotia is interesting as well. Basically the concept of demons being not evill and just another group of entities I find interesting as well.


well yeh it makes sense, their only made out to be evil in stories but if they do excist in truth then its likely their just other entities.


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well yeh it makes sense, their only made out to be evil in stories but if they do excist in truth then its likely their just other entities.


Anyway im done with the Alfs too much. thumb up Dwarves and dark alfs seem to be the Norse version of demons. Demons are just shadowy angels. Sorry a bit OT again. Sorry I like talking about this stuff.


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It's interesting. Apparantly, Beelzebub would look like a giant fly. Look him up o Wikipedia.


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It's interesting. Apparantly, Beelzebub would look like a giant fly. Look him up o Wikipedia.


Yeah I heard something like that yuck. Ewwww nah man *** that. I hate flies. I just saw his pic.

Ok heres a better one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orobas

In demonology, Orobas is a powerful Great Prince of Hell, having twenty legions of demons under his control.

He supposedly gives true answers of things past, present and to come, divinity, and the creation of the world; he also confers dignities and prelacies, and the favour of friends and foes. Orobas is faithful to the conjurer, does not permit that any spirit tempts him, and never deceives anyone.

He is depicted as a horse that changes into a man under the conjurer's request.

cool Badass.


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It looks a bit like a Minotaur, but with horse body + head, rather than bull body + head.


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It looks a bit like a Minotaur, but with horse body + head, rather than bull body + head.


Yeah but the point is hes not evil. Hes got your back. Thats one demon I would follow.


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