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Shakyamunison
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Hi

I don't have a dog in your fight, but you have made an error. Humans have as many hair follicles over the entire body as does a Chimpanzee. This is a fact, look it up.


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you really think that those who believe in god are the only one with a moral standard, where do you get this nonsense from


Sort of, yet no. When you don't believe in a god you're technically thinking that it's ok to do those sort of things. I mean, if there was no god what is the point of living? No God=No point to Universe=No point to life. If the universe was just pot luck then we aren't important, if we aren't important as people why should you care about our feelings? And why should we care about yours? Delinquishing all the things that we see as good, love(who cares?), kindness(What's the point?), generousness(It'll make no difference to MY life), and all the others too.

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true, except they have longer hairs and it shows more.


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Sort of, yet no. When you don't believe in a god you're technically thinking that it's ok to do those sort of things. I mean, if there was no god what is the point of living? No God=No point to Universe=No point to life. If the universe was just pot luck then we aren't important, if we aren't important as people why should you care about our feelings? And why should we care about yours? Delinquishing all the things that we see as good, love(who cares?), kindness(What's the point?), generousness(It'll make no difference to MY life), and all the others too.


Like I said, I don't care about the debate you are having with someone else. But if your are going to debate, you must have you fact right. I was just trying to help you.

If you want to know my opinion, just ask, you might be surprised about the answer.


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I don't have a dog in your fight, but you have made an error. Humans have as many hair follicles over the entire body as does a Chimpanzee. This is a fact, look it up.


We do, yet most of those things we also have in common with other animals.

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We do, yet most of those things we also have in common with other animals.


So?


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Thank you for that peice of info, yet as i said earlier, most of those things we have in common with other animals.

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Which means, according to certain facts, it'd be just as likely to be an evolution of something else, yet we are unique in enough ways to make us a pure creature.
Why do we think so lowly of us as humans? Why do Monkeys have to be before us? Why can't WE have been there before THEM?

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We could have been around before them, it was only a theory which was never proved and never has been.

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Nobody has even recorded there being a change in the animals such as Lions or Gorillas etc

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1. Let's put this simple, i have given you answers to all your questions which you happen to have found the tiny bits in which i STILL seem to be answering. So If it's true I have already proven it to you.

2."who said the universe and life has a meaning, and the last part is the million dollar question, the answer is no one knows.....a lot of people think they know it and believe they know it...........not so no one knows."
Then why is the universe THERE? You see this is where what i said comes along, no meaning to the universe= no meaning to life. How do you know life is there either?

The universe is where we live, so it's part of our life. Which is our soul. But i live in this universe too so you're saying my life doesn't matter either, or noone elses.

Well guess what, my life exists, I can see through my eyes and I'll tell you that. But how do you know I'm being serious? I could be lying, but because of what people have taught, you believe me.

3. Yes, but how do I/you know that each other exist? No meaning to the universe=No life. In other words because nobody is there for a reason, nobody needs to live so it don't matter if I go and murder someone, I'll get no punishment for it when i die. I can see from your perspective in that way, but how'd i know anyone else has real feelings or purpose but I? Infact that is what i was just doing when I said about murdering. See the link?

4. Let's just say that if we were related to monkeys in anyway they'd have more in common with us than the same amount of fingers or shape of hands.

And anyway, it's my turn to ask questions, Why do all humans(except twins) have different faces unlike monkeys who all look the same? And what makes you think murdering is wrong except rules? How'd u know rules are the real definition of being 'good'?

Why do we have so many differences to our supposed cousins compared to the differences between Bears and Polar Bears?

A Typical Monkey:
Hair all over body
most have long tails
Usually walk on all fours
All the same species of monkey look the same
Usually pretty small
Different shaped heads to humans
Not very smart

Human:
Hairless except on head and slowly grows in other areas(Only a bit though)
The faces look different(different skin colour, hair colour, eye colour and other things)
Very Intellegent

And another thing, why aren't the people who live in the forests with monkeys actually monkeys? They must have lived there for their whole lives AND their ancestors must have too, so why aren't they monkeys instead of humans?


Has it ever occured to you that there is no "why" in regards to the existence of the universe, and that it simply "is"?

Do not conflate purpose with meaning; life does not have to be purposed for it to be meaningful.

Moreover, human beings share a common ancestor with apes, not monkeys. Need proof? Humans and chimpanzees share 98% of the same DNA.


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Chibi Boy, Please don't do multiple posts. You can edit the first one.


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Has it ever occured to you that there is no "why" in regards to the existence of the universe, and that it simply "is"?

Do not conflate purpose with meaning; life does not have to be purposed for it to be meaningful.

Moreover, human beings share a common ancestor with apes, not monkeys. Need proof? Humans and chimpanzees share 98% of the same DNA.


1. Apes make no difference, but then we return to the question, How come people who live in jungles with apes are actually human if we evolved from the apes? There would be no REASON to evolve into something different if they both have the same hardships. And yet, where are the Ape-people?

2. You don't just make something for no reason, everything has a purpose, the grass was clearly made to turn the CO2 we breath out into Oxygen, The moon was clearly made in its position to block out the sun to make day and night. Two cousins weren't born on the same day, 20 minutes apart, the same weight and a birthmark in the same place for no reason either. If they seem to fit together SO much, doesn't it make things feel like there's a reason?

(By the way, me and my cousin are the ones who were born on the same day 20 minutes apart, with a birthmark in the same place, and the same weight)

NOTHING happens for no reason, the G8 aren't meeting for no reason, Isaac Newton didn't figure out Gravity for no reason, earth Is clearly like it is for some reason. Scientists have found no other intellegence so far so we must be unique, and recently the worlds top scientists have tried to figure out the meaning to the universe and so far the proof points to a god.

Finally, when i was asking why the universe is there, i was wondering why everyone else thinks there's no purpose and was wanting proof why it shouldn't have one.

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Hay! Chibi Boy & Adam_Poe check out this site...

http://www.livescience.com/animalwo...eys_humans.html


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That's a very interesting site, there is a problem with their suggestion though, if monkeys/apes abilities changed, their way of thinking could leave parts of their body unusable. They have different feet to us, and because of this their brain would get confused and would just leave out the bones and muscles in area of the body it can't control because of the extra amount of braincells for that specific part.
In simple, You could implant human brain cells into a cat, making it more intelligent, yet what would it do to the parts that we don't have/use?

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That's a very interesting site, there is a problem with their suggestion though, if monkeys abilities changed, their way of thinking could leave parts of their body unusable. They have different feet to us, and because of this their brain would get confused and would just leave out the bones and muscles in area of the body it can't control because of the extra amount of braincells for that specific part.
In simple, You could implant human brain cells into a cat, making it more intelligent, yet what would it do to the parts that we don't have/use?


Yes, this article has points for both you and Adom_Poe. That's why I gave it to both of you.


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Thank you for another peice of information smile

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1. Apes make no difference, but then we return to the question, How come people who live in jungles with apes are actually human if we evolved from the apes? There would be no REASON to evolve into something different if they both have the same hardships. And yet, where are the Ape-people?

2. You don't just make something for no reason, everything has a purpose, the grass was clearly made to turn the CO2 we breath out into Oxygen, The moon was clearly made in its position to block out the sun to make day and night. Two cousins weren't born on the same day, 20 minutes apart, the same weight and a birthmark in the same place for no reason either. If they seem to fit together SO much, doesn't it make things feel like there's a reason?

(By the way, me and my cousin are the ones who were born on the same day 20 minutes apart, with a birthmark in the same place, and the same weight)

NOTHING happens for no reason, the G8 aren't meeting for no reason, Isaac Newton didn't figure out Gravity for no reason, earth Is clearly like it is for some reason. Scientists have found no other intellegence so far so we must be unique, and recently the worlds top scientists have tried to figure out the meaning to the universe and so far the proof points to a god.

Finally, when i was asking why the universe is there, i was wondering why everyone else thinks there's no purpose and was wanting proof why it shouldn't have one.


  1. Humans and apes share a common ancestor but descended through different evolutionary paths.

  2. You un-necessarily assume that all things are created.

    Pant life uses carbon dioxide for respiration and release oxygen as a waste product; Animal life uses oxygen for respiration and releases carbon dioxide as a waste product. This relationship exists not because living things were designed this way, but because they evolved this way. Those plants that did not use carbon dioxide for respiration and release oxygen as a waste product, and those animals that did not use oxygen for respiration and release carbon dioxide as a waste product, did not survive.


Furthermore, there is no evidence that the universe is purposed. If you are making the positive claim that it is, the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence, not the other way around.


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1. Let's put this simple, i have given you answers to all your questions which you happen to have found the tiny bits in which i STILL seem to be answering. So If it's true I have already proven it to you.
oh really you have posted a load of swada but no answers

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You see this is where what i said comes along, no meaning to the universe= no meaning to life. How do you know life is there either?
meaning to the universe is just to be, so it is with life, meaning is to live it
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Well guess what, my life exists, I can see through my eyes and I'll tell you that. But how do you know I'm being serious? I could be lying, but because of what people have taught, you believe me.
you assume I believe you, for all I know you can be called Tommy and be blind deaf and dumb and if what you put here is a so called answer it is a really really weak ass answer

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Yes, but how do I/you know that each other exist?
guess both of us posting here takes care of that "riddle"

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Let's just say that if we were related to monkeys in anyway they'd have more in common with us than the same amount of fingers or shape of hands.
and 98 % of the DNA

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Why do all humans(except twins) have different faces unlike monkeys who all look the same?
they look the same to us, not to a monkey

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And what makes you think murdering is wrong except rules? How'd u know rules are the real definition of being 'good'?
because of a moral code that have existed longer than that of the biblical ones like the code of Hammurabi, dont ever think that the biblical ones were the "first" moral laws out there

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A Typical Monkey:
Hair all over body
most have long tails
Usually walk on all fours
All the same species of monkey look the same
Usually pretty small
Different shaped heads to humans
Not very smart
many dont have tail at all, and monkeys from the same speiecies do not all look the same at all, if you spen time with a group you learn to see the diffrences, just as if you have identical twins, to the common man they look exactly the same. But for them who spend time with them learn to sea difrences. The fact that we humans were able to walk uprised on two feets is one of the answeres why we became suprerior ones of the primates, higher intelligence is another reason. And dint underestimate the intelligent of the monkeys though, they are way smarter than we really think, and through study we starting to learn that
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Hairless except on head and slowly grows in other areas(Only a bit though)
The faces look different(different skin colour, hair colour, eye colour and other things)
Very Intellegent
many humans are very hairy indeed, and as you claim with the monkeys we human think certain races look alike, and there are plenty of humans that would be considered far from very intelligent

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And another thing, why aren't the people who live in the forests with monkeys actually monkeys? They must have lived there for their whole lives AND their ancestors must have too, so why aren't they monkeys instead of humans?
because they are two different speieces within the primate group , and (hopefully) they breed with the other humans to extend their genetic line, just as the monkeys breed with their own to extend their line. It would be just as asking why doesnt sheep dogs who spend their entire life watching and herding sheep bleat instead of bark


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When you don't believe in a god you're technically thinking that it's ok to do those sort of things.
what a load of crap, this is nothing but pure ignorance

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I mean, if there was no god what is the point of living? No God=No point to Universe=No point to life
these are your reasons and I hope you aint so ignorant and arrogant that you think your way is the only way

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