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You simply don’t understand, I have never said that Atheist have never killed or were responsible for mass murder and you keep saying I did so why would I need to back that up if I never claimed it? It doesn’t matter anyway because of what religion believes, they claim to be the keeper of virtue and values and in their most important laws given to them by their god is that killing is wrong. Life above all else is the most valuable thing given to them by god and they do not have the right to take that away but they do and have done many times. Its not about who has the most but that they do it, the common man by far is the worst killer of all.
There are about 180,304 murders world wide per year from all countries, races and religions so in just 50 years that would be about 9,015,200. Man kills man and this trumps all your number, the point is that religion and its beliefs hold themselves above man because this is decried by god but they do not abide by it.
I never said that you said that Atheists have never killed. I did not say that they (I think you meant "Weren't") weren't responsible.
Point # 1 = Gone.
The whole legs on the Atheism philosophy body is that you were supposed to help and guide your fellow man. So, since when is killing people and degrading religion helping people?
Yeah, what the church did was unacceptable but unfortunately, Atheists are on the same level. It's like Atheism completely tries to demean what religion does, yet Atheism often practices the same acts they complain about. Just because Atheism does not have a more elaborate set of moral codes and values doesn't mean they can kill. No sir.
Your point? Atheism has done it too. Even more times. The point is: Both are killers, but you seem to perpetually be pointing out one and framing one as worse than the other because they have "Moral values" and all this nonsense that doesn't matter.
Both. Religion. And. Atheism. Kill.
That's it. Doesn't matter.
It's like teabags. Both are different flavors and have different benefits, but in the end, they're both falling into a cup of hot water.
They're parallel.
You were doing good until you reunited your prejudice bullshit again. Good for what religious people do! Some people do abide by it and others don't. Same thing goes for that philosophy you follow.
STOP HIGHLIGHTING RELIGION. What you follow in life does the same thing. Do you even know your job as an atheist? What you must do while following that philosophy?
The primary idea of religion? Believe in God, regardless.
The primary idea of atheism? Doubt any God, regardless.
^ Those two rules are easy to follow, but they're both following by guidelines that should be followed. Atheism is no different. Do some research on Atheism then come back to debate.
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There is not some code for being an Atheist as you seem to imply and that is why I say you don’t understand what it is to be an Atheist, it is one simple concept “There is no god”. That is it in a nut shell, there is not a way of living or code of conduct set by anyone other than yourself and the laws of man and nature. There are different levels, some hate religion some don’t others see it as a crutch to mankind others don’t.
I thought you said I don't know anything about Atheism, yet you think the philosophy is only based on not believing in god. That is the PRIMARY idea, but saying that would be as ignorant as saying "Catholicism is only to believe in god, in a nutshell."
I wouldn't say something like that because I'm not an ignorant fool. There is gnostic atheism, weak atheism, strong atheism ... ALL have guidelines and some codes to live by. A lot of atheists are ignorant to this while complaining that religious people just "believe in god" and don't follow their code.
Looks like more hypocrisy has managed to surface. Are you surprised, Pittman?
A catholic is someone of Catholocism. A Catholic isn't one who believes in God because well, nearly every religion believes in God.
To say that agnostic atheists, weak atheists and strong atheists have different guidlines and codes to live by is implying atheism is a religion. Which it isn't. Every atheist has a different belief of how to live life. Seriously, go out and ask every atheist you find and ask them how they believe they should live life, they would give you different answers. However, they all have the same opinion on religion, is that because they were all preached the same? Not at all, they would say "This is my personal opinion" and although it is roughly what another atheist says, those two have absolutely no linkage whatsoever.
To summarise, Sorgo really doesn't know what atheism is, he made two very obvious errors that only the fundamentally religious get.
1. Thinking theism is a religion
2. Thinking atheism is "evil"
Atheist are probably the smartest and best people on the Earth. And here are some reasons why:
1. Atheists aren't prejudice
2. Atheists aren't violent
3. Atheists are unbiased
4. Atheists help others
5. Atheists aren't fools
6. Atheists change the world
Hahaha, one of these sites opens up pushing against religious beliefs. I am not surprised.
Wait, let me get this straight:
"A Catholic isn't one who believes in God"
Are you joking?
Wrong. It's a philosophy.
Here, just because I know you don't know:
"Philosophy is the discipline concerned with the questions of how one should live (ethics); what sorts of things exist and what are their essential natures (metaphysics); what counts as genuine knowledge (epistemology); and what are the correct principles of reasoning (logic)."
You obviously have no logical awareness or any friendship with reasoning and rationality. You think because someone lives by a guideline and code, they are religious?
Sorry, maybe next time.
Yes, this is the premise of atheism. Most catholics do the same thing; They just believe in god. Just like atheists just DON'T believe god, despite the fact there are guidelines in the philosophy of atheism.
All atheists have the same opinion?
You're so ignorant. I'm struggling to even hold conversation with someone as ignorant as yourself. I'm serious.
I'm not religious.
No errors have been made. I ask you to read above.
1. We're not talking about theism ...
2. I think Atheism is evil? Where? When?
This is the most absolutely ridiculous statement and is ridden with irony, because you say this in prejudice. I'm not surprised that you'd contradict yourself on such a large scale.
1. You proved that wrong. Pittman proved that wrong. Karl Marx proved that wrong.
2. Hahaha, tell that to the Deka Megamurderers who killed over a hundred million people.
3. Hahaha, go see 1.
4. Killing over two hundred and sixty two is just so helpful. The minuscule atheists that do help people should; It's in the philosophy.
5. What a bullshit statement. Atheists aren't fools? Give me a break.
6. Oh my god. You're so biased. You just dug number 3 and number 1 further to their grave.
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I'm sorry but I do have to disagree with you there, I have met many Atheists that are many of the above if not fanatical about it.
Yes people are trying to classify what Atheism is but that is pretty much ludicrous in my opinion, people want to give it rules and guidelines much as the same that religious text does but again that is ludicrous. An Atheist plain and simple doesn't believe in god or any type of deity, what they choose to live by from there is there own personal choice. As I said before Atheist are governed by the laws of man and nature, it is human nature that people will want to control an idea and that is what happening now as people are moving away from faith.
Well, I accept that. :/ Regardless, the figure is dramatically lower.
No, my point is that's all atheism is.
More to it? It's someone who doesn't believe in God nor accepts religion. You seem to think there is some sort of organised belief system with them, and you are telling that to two ATHEISTS.
Yes, Catholics believe in God, I didn't say they didn't. I'm saying not all theists are Catholic making your comparison of Atheists to Catholics, dumb.
Err, yeah.
WRONG! A Catholic is someone who follows the rules of the Catholic Bible. An atheist, follows no rules. BIG DIFFERENCE! There is no holy book of atheism or anything like that. If you're saying the bible is philosophy, you have a confusion between religion and philosophy.
On religion, yes. We all hate it. Ask any atheist and see if he or she says "religion is a good thing and something to live by." Go ahead.
Then why do you attack Atheism? And don't use that question as evidence that I think all relioguos people hate atheists or whatever, it's just a simple question.
1. I meant Atheism, sorry for the typo.
2. You bashing atheism suggests it.
I'm serious, it's true.
By that I mean they aren't like that because of Atheism.
I'm sure there are atheists out there that are like that. Of course! Just like there are religious people that follow the guidelines and are intelligent, but most atheists aren't like this.
XYZ is generally stating that MOST ATHEISTS act 1 through 6 of what he listed. That's ridiculous. I've met so many foolish atheists, I've seen example of prejudice atheists in this thread a number of times, I've had three atheist friends in my life help me, the rest are enemies. Why? Not by my choice.
Atheists aren't violent? Must I go over that again? Karl Marx? Deka MM?
I mean, look at XYZ. Atheists are the BEST and SMARTEST people on earth? That's one of the most biased things I've ever heard.
I can see where you're coming from, Pittman, but you must understand; I know Atheists don't believe in any god. I never argued this. The only thing I was complaining about in the beginning of this thread was when they were sitting there basically insulting religion. Atheists have killed for what they believe in and a lot of them don't follow the guidelines of their philosophy. Hell, most of them are doing the very same bullshit they love to whine and b*tch about. This is what irks me.
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That is the fundamental difference, there are no guidelines to being Atheist, there is no doctrine or text saying that these are the rules or values that you must follow in order to be Atheist but the one to be classified as Atheist is that you don't believe in god or deities. Each person would have their own set of values that are created by them, much the same way as religions interpret their own text but they have set rules and values that followers of that faith are supposed to follow. Do they stray from that and make stuff up as they go along the answer is yes and that is where many Atheist have problems with religion, not the only one but a major one.
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There is good and evil on both sides, one can't claim more righteous than the other and yes some of the smartest people have been religious of all different religions as well as not religious and Atheists. Your last statement is totally BS; yes it can change the world for good or bad. You show me a case where it has done good and I can show you one that has been bad. People and motivation and desire change the world not religion or Atheism.
Ah, but with Atheism there is no holding back. Religious people have the mind-set that everything's already been explained in the Bible or Torah etc. and that there is no need to change the world or find something new, Atheists have the belief that nothing is explained and therefore go to seek out the explanation. Thus, making Atheism better.
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That I disagree with, some of the greatest scientific discovers have been made by people of religion some have gone much to disprove the belief in god. If you hold true to everything the bible or doctrine says than yes everything is already explained however the vast majority or religious believers do not follow the doctrine literally.
Damn, pretending to be a dumb atheist and making fun of them isn't as fun as I expected, nor is it as fun as it is with christians. Still, atleast people now know that atheists even disagree with other atheists like Pittman disagreeing with me.
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