Vader uses lightning in the book 'Splinter of the minds eye'
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It's an image worth pondering for a moment. Maybe, when you cut past the instrumental and songwriting virtuosity, the funny voices and characters, what is left is a man alone in his recording studio for days at a time.
I believe that too, Lucasfilm needs to get every EU resource out there and make a list that says it is official canon. And I wouldn't mind if they did some changes in some of the EU.
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Stealth Agent......What the heck is up with this "Couldn't he shoot it out of his forehead?" I mean really, His Helmet is just as robotic as his hands. So if you saying he uses it from his hands and hurts himself, he still get hurt through his forehead. I still think that Lightning didn't really kill Vader. WE WILL NEVER KNOW!!!!! IT COULD HAVE BEEN LUKE! IT COULD HAVE BEEN A HEART ATTACK!! IT EVEN COULD HAVE BEEN A SLIGHT MALFUNCTION!
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Taking off the helmet didn't kill Vader for sure. It helped him breathing kinda, cause after being burned by lava and get your limbs cut off, you can have asthma and that stuff . But I'm sure Vader could survive breathing for atleast sometime without the helmet. The lightning will fry him for sure, lots of his limbs are mechanical and if his suit gets broken or fried, than it's over for him.
Time for Rex to go trouble-shooting! *grabs shotgun*
The lightning didn't kill Vader, taking off his mask did! - Wrong! The mask was useless after Palps unleashed that lightning he was putting into Luke into Vader. Mass amounts of destructive electricity + life support system = useless life support system = dead user of life support system. How the hell would chopping off Vader's hand put an end to his life? His hand wasn't even real!
Vader can use lightning, of course! He's evil! - Nope! Wrong again! The Visual Dictionary and the novelization of Episode III stated that Vader would not be using lightning because he lost both his arms. The Force needs human flesh to be able to conjur Force pushes and such. Vader clenches his fist when strangling the Imperial officer in ANH...but its not the robotic hand that's manipulating the Force. Vader is doing it mentally, and from his stub. This may be EU, but in the newer Clone Wars episodes, Anakin loses his false hand, yet still strangles the life out of several Techno Union executives with his stub.
Pfft, just because his hands would be fried by lightning doesn't mean he'd fry the rest of himself! - Wrong! Metal = conductor of electricity = Hands. Lightning = lots of electricity. Vader's suit = metal. Hands(Vader's Suit + Lightning) = Life Support Screwed. The Lightning would go all over his body because the metal would conduct it.
Splinter of the Mind's Eye was not written by George Lucas. It also introduces the Kaiburr Crystal, which is very much a pain in the ass, since people like to tell me that it's a source of Palpatine's power. Oi!
Sheesh, remember how people flipped when all the pics of Wookiees and Kashyyyk were originally released/leaked from ROTS because it didn't match the EU descriptions?
Not really. I thought it all worked quite well. Maybe it was just because suddenly Kashyyyk had beaches...but who flippin' cares? All planets have water, unless you're on Tatooine or Mustafar...but neither Tatooine or Mustafar have really tall trees...
Theres no point in arguing over this really. Noone wins here.
Force lightning does'nt have the same limitation or rules as normal electricity. If it did, Mace Windu would'nt have been able to block/deflect force lightning with his saber. You can't block electricity with light. Besides electricity always runs through the first conductor that leads to ground. In that case any who uses lightning can't use it without electrocuting themselves.
I just can't get away from the line of thinking that if the force lightning was dangerous to the user in any way, then it would also hurt Palps and Dooku when they use it. In the movies, we see that Yoda can block it with his hands, but it does require quite a bit of effort to do so. That being said, since he is at least close to force powers as palps, and greater then dooku, it would probably also take those two guys quite a bit of energy to block it.
So if they have to block their own while they shoot it, we would notice the effort. We don't at all. They shoot it with no exertion what so ever. They don't have to block it when they shoot. It simply leaves their body with no hint of them blocking it, or protecting themselves from it. Which leads me to believe that force lightning is totally external, and never touches the body of the person shooting it.
So Vader could do it just like the other two with no risk to himself at all. Conjure up the force lightning, using the force, totally externally to his own body. Of course he would have major problems if he was shot by the lightning or if it was directed to his body like in ROTJ, but I see no reason why he couldn't shoot it himself.
Jerlark, you can't block ANYTHING with light. Lightsabers are not just light. If they were, they wouldn't be weapons. They'd be colored flashlights.
I don't really see why you bother using Dooku and Palpatine as examples, or even Yoda. They're not in massive suits of armor with life support systems in them.
External to his body does not at all mean external to his suit, though. That's the thing. The lightning would not be conjured at a distance from his stub. It would be conjured FROM the stub. It's not a matter of the lightning hurting Vader's physical form. It's a matter of screwing up his damned suit! Now, if he didn't have his mechanical hands, and was just stubs, he would maybe be able to learn the lightning trick. But hands to wield a lightsaber with are more useful than lightning. The hands are in the way, so the lightning would jump through the hands and then begin to short-circuit his system by traveling through the wiring.
They sure look a lot like colored flashlights to me. And who says you can't turn light into a weapon. Light energy/radiation can be harnessed and easily turned into a weapon.
But really It does'nt matter what it is, the saber or Windu should have been fried.
I refer to them, because they all had the either had the ability to conjure or deflect lightning. If the force can absorb or deflect force lightning, then it should be possible for Vader to protect his suit using the force.
If the technology exists to create such a life-sustaining suit, then a couple of protective measures for it should be no problem. Since a saber can mysteriously asorb sith lightning then incorporate the same idea into the suit. Put a reverse polarity field on the suit, a ground, even a simple circuit breaker would do. Something. In a world where ships can travel faster than light, nothing I mention is impossible or improbable. Am I just crazy here?
'They sure look a lot like colored flashlights to me. And who says you can't turn light into a weapon. Light energy/radiation can be harnessed and easily turned into a weapon.'
The problem is that if the blades were only light, they would pass through each other. A lightsabre blade is a plasma stream plus a magnetic field that gives it a defined length. The magnetic field is why two blades can hit each other.
Logic = Vader should be able to use Force Lightning. There is no real physical reason why he can't. I've outlined this in my posts before, as have others.
Reality = Vader get's royally screwed by force lightning. He's perfectly fine until Palpatine sends the lightning through him.
I really do wish Dooku didn't use force lightning to be honest. It would have been cool if only Palpatine could do it. But meh, there ya go.
Note: We must also remember that lucas likes to make up shit as he goes along. In the OT, Palpatine lacked a saber, but had lightning. It was a way to show how much more evil Palpatine was to Vader (as Lucas has stated before) - he was a demonic sorcerer. The lightning was Palpatines trump card. A witherred, old, fragile and defenseless man suddenly strikes you down at will with God-like smiting powers. This the main reason why I was confused as to why Lucas allowed lightning to be a standard Sith Master power - it took some of the edge away from Palpatine.
The reason we don't see Vader do it at all is merely because Lucas hadn't plucked that particular idea of his hat when he made ANH and ESB. The rationale is that Vader cannot do it, but the real reason, like pretty much everything else, is that the idea simply wasn't there until ROTJ.
We must remmember that these are only films, and theres only so much you can rationalise before you have to sit back and say "he just didn't think of it back then".
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Jul 3rd, 2005 04:39 PM
. But I'm sure Vader could survive breathing for atleast sometime without the helmet. The lightning will fry him for sure, lots of his limbs are mechanical and if his suit gets broken or fried, than it's over for him.
