Look at this from this point, you can use force from only your own particles off body, correct? Organic. Vader has gloves on, the gloves I bet have some circuits in them which lead all the way throughotu the suit. If he used Lightning, it would escape the gloves to your opponent, but would also short curcuit the gloves which would sent the electricity thorughout the suit, getting the same effects as the glove.
Vader blocked Hans Blaster fire with his bare hand, I think he could come up with a way to shoot force lightning. But hey, all those who say he can't do it cause he would get short circuited, also must admit that Vader is the biggest fuking b1tch Sith of all time.
Think about it. If you guys all think that he would die so quickly from any lightning that comes anywhere near him, wouldn't that mean that any Sith in the history of the galaxy could beat vader in a duel in about 1 second. Shit, even fuking children Sith could beat him. Problably even darth maul could have beat vader when he was 10 years old.
And to take it one step further. If you guys think vader is that pathetic towards lightning, doesn't it stand to reason that you also believe that any half ass human with no force powers what so ever could hand vader his ass, as long as they electocute him? LOL, funny concept.
Vader, being punked by anything and everyone with any sort of electricity what so ever. Throw an electric eel on him and boom, dead vader.
Vader could protect himself from lightning, like Yoda did to Count Dooku's lightning or like Mace did to Sid's lightning. If Vader could do force lightning without getting electrified, why would he use Force Grip on the people which piss him off? Like his commanders?? When done Lightning it is more enjoyable since you hear your enemy scream and stuff. So there would be no point of doing Force Grip if he could do Force Lightning
Force choke is instantly cooler than lightning anyway.
The fact he could just stare at you (even via a TV screen) and you'll begin to die is pretty amazing.
I don't think we've ever seen a Sith demonstrate such long-range killing. Being suffocated is terrifying.
Vader just has to see you and, you're dead.
Lightning doesn't suit Vader anyway, the force choke suits his character. The whole lack-of-breath and choking motif is a Vader speciality.
As for repelling lightning, yes he can. He was a little pre-occupied with trying to force Palpatine over the edge of the shaft, he couldn't just stick his hand out and diffuse the lightning. And as for children Sith and Darth Maul taking out Vader, they can't do lightning.
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Again, you are assuming a lot when you say that Maul and other Siths in training can't do lightning. I personally believe that just because someone didn't do something in the movies, doesn't mean they can't. You don't think that an ENTIRE LIFETIME of sith training under palpatine, and a lot of rage didn't allow Darth Maul to learn lightning? Come on, he was trained since birth basically.
Just because he doesn't use it in the movies, doesn't mean he can't use it. Personally, I only saw Qui gon and Obi wan do that Dialosis thing where they hold their breath for a long ass time in that gased room. Does that mean they are the only two that can do it? You think Yoda can't do it? Please...
Of course Maul can do lightning. He just chooses to saber battle because it is his specialty.
For Maul, it's a matter of how well he is connected to the Force. He strikes me as being a better swordsman than Force-user, whereas Dooku balances out. And we never see Maul do lightning in anything outside of the movies anyway...
What the hell is dialosis? Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan just hold their breath for a good amount of time, I'm sure all Jedi/Sith can. That's completely irrelevant.
i think that there are different types of Jedi and sith.
by that i mean that there are people who ROCK with their sabers (Mace and Maul) and are mid level in the force.
Those like Yoda and Sidious who are Crazy high level with force and mid-high with sabers.
And the medium people like Dooku and Anakin and Obi-Wan.
As for force lightning in battle it can be relatively easy to deflect with a lightsaber as Obi-Wan and Mace demonstrated (tho i think mace got hit by some of it)
It's not so much a question of who can perform force lightning. The Sith are all capable of conjuring sith lightning. Lord Vader cannot perform Sith lightning for obvious reasons. There is nothing saying Maul was not able to utilise sith lightning. THere are two possibilities: he was so engaged with two jedi that he didn't have the opportunity or that he was too young and lacking the experience to conjure sith lightning. Remember the ages of Dooku and Sidious. Not young, are they?
It is reasonable to say all Sith would be able to use sith lightning.
__________________ 'Here are the minions of Mordor...My deadly servants filled with my dark will..Though they may not all reside within the borders of my land, my hand reaches far and in the end they all do my bidding'. Dark Lord Sauron
'They may not even be aware of the dark will that drives them or the influence of the enemy that I too serve...the ancient of evil of which even I... the Great Sauron am but a servant'.
Sauron the Great acknowledges his master, The Dark Lord Valar Melkor
Yeah, anything Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon can do, Yoda can. He's generally regarded at a higher level, and is ranked higher. There really is no logic behind what you are saying there. Yoda can do everything his apprentices can do. Saying Maul can do anything his masters can do is completely different and in no way can you use that as a valid basis of an arguement.
Was Maul ever ranked higher than Dooku or Palpatine? No, he wasn't. We didn't see lightning so it's obvious he couldn't do it.
The "lifetime of rage" thing is also irrelevant. Obi-Wan, according to the same (EU) source as Mauls profile, had a life completely the opposite of Maul. Does that mean he can diffuse lightning with his hand like Yoda? No, because we saw him diffuse it with his saber. Maul can't conjure shit.
"Maul can't conjure shit"????? How do you know? Jus cuz he didn't do it in the movie doesn't mean a damn thing. And Yoda could not do everything his suboordinates could. He couldn't read minds like Saesee Tiin or alter his surrounding climate like Plo Koon. Like I said, how do you know he can't?
EU, EU, EU. Maul can't conjure shit because, well, he can't. If Lucas wanted to make a point of letting us know what Maul can do, he would have put it in the movie. Maul had plenty of opportunities to do lightning (especially just before Obi-Wan jumps out of the pit and he gets chopped in half) but he didn't. That's a big tick in the "can't do lightning" box.
And WTF? Plo Koon alterring the climate? Saesee Tinn reading minds? Next you'll be telling me Ki Adi Mundi could teleport and Mace Windu had fire powers. This isn't the X-Men.
And if you even mention Plo Koons yellow lightsaber I'll shove it where the sun don't shine.
It's true. And of course the movies aint gonna show EVERYTHING a character is capable of. Maul kept his Sith powers latent and let his sabres do all the talkin.
Ya it's astonishing that some people (obviously superfly is one of them) think that just because someone doesn't use a certain skill in the moive, then they don't have the ability. That's just plain stupid.
So maul and the rest of the characters are only capable of doing the things they displayed in the movies? Maul isn't capable of anything else we didn't see? You don't think maul can use the force to pick up anything heavier then a droid head? You don't think maul can force choke someone? You don't think that maul can stop force lightning with his saber? For that matter, you don't think Yoda can stop lightning with his saber? He used his hand only in the movies, does that mean he can ONLY use his hand? Never learned how to use his saber? Do you think that only obi and qui gon know how to run fast like they did in TPM? Only those two did it, so I guess only those two can do it huh? No other jedi or Sith can apparently. Oh ya, Windu can't move anything with the force apparently, not even a pebble. He didn't in the movies, so he can't. Luke could when he isn't even a jedi knight yet, but Windu can't because he didn't in the movies. I never saw Palps block one single shot from a blaster in a movie. I guess he doesn't know how. He's super powerful, but if he gets shot by a blaster JUST ONCE, he'd dead because he clearly doesn't have that skill. I never saw Windu pilot anything in any of the movies. I guess that means he doesn't have his galactic drivers license huh, or he just plain doesn't know how. I don't recall seeing Plo koon do anything at all in the movies other then fly, and die. I guess that means he was a normal guy, no force powers, doesn't even own a saber. I never saw his saber in the movies, I guess he doesn't own one...
SHALL I GO ON, or do you kind of understand by now? I never saw any of the Jedi's take a shit either. I guess they don't know how yet...
Again, you jump in without checking how deep the water is.
We know the likes of the Jedi Masters and Palpatine can do certain things because they have proven to do even greater things. We can assume, therefore, that anything that is less demanding than thier on-screen antics is well within their repertoire.
Maul wasn't even as good as borderline-Knight-Obi-Wan. We never saw Maul do anything more than the odd force push. We didn't see him do anything that would indicate he was at a lightning throwing level or beyond.
Face it, Maul was just an apprentice thug and a Padawan beat him. He may have been good but he couldn't do lightning.
I just think logic says it all. Darth Maul is a true Sith, trained since birth basically, by palpatine. Dooku, is just a Dark Jedi, who really didn't turn dark until 10 years previous to the movies. Maul has more training, more sith specific training, and he was trained by the Sith Lord himself.
Plus, Maul beat Qui Gon, who is widely accepted as a KICK ASS POWERFUL Jedi. I think Mauls credentials speak for themselves when he manhandled Qui gon and Obi wan at the same time. Ya he fuked up in the end and died, but no doubt, he fuking man handled those two like they were girls.
If Dooku can do lightning, so can Maul. He simply didn't in the movies. If you still don't understand this concept, refer to my above post making fun of your lunacy two posts up
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