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Originally posted by dadudemon
True, but he doesn't hasn't used it since the old days because he's one dimensional.



But those things do jack diddly with anyone over her level, which has been proven. She is very one dimensional when fighting strong characters. Just variations of ice attacks.



Right, going from H2H combat to SUPER H2H combat, both mixed with flash steps that Ichigo can do. So how was that a counter?



True. We will probably get to see him improve. He probably has super kidou as well...but we've only seen him do fire bending with his sword. hahahahahaha



True. But, again, he probably knows Kidou. Just like all the characters I mentioned. But they fight dimensionally...which is worse that Ichigo's situation.



True, but that is not a counter to him being a very one dimensional fighter.



I'd say, no. She is not as versatile as Ichigo. Her sword is really versatile in a physical sense, but her ability to fight and defeat different enemies is not on the same level as Ichigo; so she is not as versatile. She is, however, able to fight really well.



But the psychological aspect of it still played a roll in that fight. That's his thing. That was my point. One could argue that #5 was less versatile after he started flipping out, making him more susceptible to the final sword strike. Technically, Kenpachi should have been too slow to keep up. Do you honestly think that Kenpachi is as fast as Ichigo's Bankai form? Do you honestly think that Kenpachi is faster than Sea Shell head captain when Ichigo was supposed to be faster than Sea Shell head captain in Bankai form? Hmm?

Let's call that fight simply PIS, shall we?



Ichigo hardened his Zanpakatou to uber levels...enough to cut through Kenpachi's sword. That was the whole point of "WHY!?!?!?" Ichigo won that fight.

Ichigo was also badly injured and had next to nothing in reitsu left when he finally fought #5. Since Grimmjow's form was similar to Ichigo's bankai as far as a speed boost goes, I would say that Grimmjow was a faster fighter than #5 in his released form. Also, because Ichigo didn't have any reitsu left, he didn't have a way to harden his sword or basically sharpen it enough to do anything to that uber armor of the Esapda.



True on all accounts. We agree there. But I am saying that those two can't do it becaue their reitsu was too powerful from the beginning to be able to "learn" it. They have suppressed their swords greatly. Absurdly, actually. Ichigo's father said that the Captains would be lugging around skyscrappers if they didn't do it. In fact, Ichigo is so good at it that his suppressed form on his Zanpakatou is so focused that it is a power increase and speed increase instead of a hindrance. (his bankai form is a ultra compact form ....)

We know that he has to be much older than 100 years becaue there was a flash back to that time when he was doing experiments at that age. We've seen that people in soul society even grow up very very slowly. Ichigo has been at this for less than a year and he's already one of the strongest fighters in the entire Bleach universe. Can Ichigo be cut some slack for not being able to seal his zanpakatou after less than a year at being at this? Also, I suspect that it took so long to do his Vizard from mastery because he has such little experience as a shinigami with too much reistsu making it very hard to focus that form properly.



Unless Kenpachi's fight with #5 was PIS, he does have excellent control when it comes to focusing his blade's sharpness.

And, no, you're wrong about that last part. It is bond and the ability to focus your reitsu correctly that makes your sword sharper. The anime expanded on that, visually, to give a better idea of what it meant in the manga.



Since we're talking about the manga, it does matter. That's they way it is.



Actually, I've already shown that Kenpachi's fight with #5 is technically PIS and his fight with Ichigo wouldn't be. Ichigo's fight with Grimmjow taking so long is also PIS. He should have wiped the floor with Grimmjow. Watch, his fight with #4 will take forever too. It's a story.

And when has Kenpachi shown that he goes 100% from the beginning of any fight? Exactly.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Not anymore.




Copy and paste the tags, like I do. for instance, when I quoted your post...I end up with several tags...I've added spaces to show you what it is...

[ QUOTE=11275593 ][ i ] Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx [ /i ]
[ B ] *insert your post stuff here* [ /B ][ /QUOTE ]

You can simply copy and paste the first part and the closing part for every piece of my post you want to separate out. It is really easy. It can get confusing, though, so always do it in a pair. In other words, if there is one sentence you would like to make a point about, put the first part on at the beginning, and put the last part at the end of the sentence before you do anything else or else you could make a mess beyond repair. Be liberal with the "enter" key so you can space out each sentence. Always hit "preview reply" to make sure your tags worked correctly so you don't look like a newb.

SIMPLE!

If that doesn't help...I could record a video on put it on youtube, just for you. Seriously.




They were superficial. Nothing deep. They were mere mosquito bites to Kenpachi.



You make it sound so insignificant. Ichigo almost sliced a third of his torso off at the right shoulder and Kenpachi almost ran Ichigo through, AGAIN!



I fully agree with you. However, Ichigo is Kenpachi's best friend after that fight. That was kind of the point of that fight so that the writer could write in a time that Kenpachi fights for himself AND for his friend. Which, imo, played out very nicely. I thought that that aspect of it was written well and developed each character nicely. It's one of the reasons I like Bleack.

Also, Ichigo won, Kenpachi lost. The author wrote it that way. Kenpachi said it, too. Ichigo's resolve was more focused than Kenpachi's and he cut Ken's sword.

Ichigo also beat sea sheall head captain. Same scenario. You can't say that Ichigo has better reitsu control than Sea Sheall Head, can you? I highly doubt that. But he certainly focused his reitsu enough to make his sword significantly sharper and harder than SSH to cut through his sword.



I take sh*ts on him when he sleeps. I pull his spikey hair just for fun. He ain't nothin'. Also, the espada could have been exaggerating about his "hardness".



That doesn't mean that Grimmjow didn't have things about him that were better than #5.



Indeed. And, as I've pointed out, that was probably PIS that he won that fight and PIS that he lost to Ichigo.



I don't like Barragan. He's a grumpy arrogant old man. I don't like those types. I think we aren't supposed to like him, anyway.

I wouldn't mind the lazy guy being #1. What if he's lazy because he is so uber that he doesn't have to work very hard except when training?



Hmm...I agree and disagree. If I could see her entire face, I could make a better judgement against Halibel.






Also, my reply may have many mistakes in it. I had to type this up throughout the day because I was busy...so losing my train of thought may have effed reasoning up because of word placement mistakes and grammar mistakes.

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Originally posted by stickman618
but here's how i think his fight with Ulquiorra will go;
Ichigo puts up a good fight and almost gets defeated
Nel shows up and Orihime repairs her mask permanently transforming her back into an adult
she kills Ulquiorra

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Originally posted by Quincy
Yeah that was pretty shocking and bad ass.

I wonder if she'll die. What do you guys think? Have any main bleach characters died that weren't bad guys?

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Originally posted by stickman618
how much can Kira actually do??

the captain and vice-captain of the fourth division are stuck in hueco mundo, so they can't help any time soon... or can they??