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wakkawakkawakka
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More or less I was grateful for Kubo making that happen and cheered a little when I saw it. Normally its cruel to laugh at people getting stabbed. Not in this case.

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i knew wonderweiss had suttin behind him his powers is to stop yama ji's shikai


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Pretty good chapter. Aizen makes a rather crude reference to Yamamoto's power, which is alright with
me, as even Aizen himself acknowledges his inferiority when it comes to power. My only gripe with this chapter is that apparently, Yamamoto is going to be put down next chapter. It'll be far more outrageous than Starrk falling to Shunsui's shikai IMO.
Hopefully he is able to do something, after all, he's the strongest captain.


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Wonderweiss being able to neutralize Yamamoto's shikai. Isn't that convinient? What happened to Kensei?(although it wouldn't be hard to guess)

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Aizen was prepared for Yamamoto.
He also explains why he prepared for his battle against Yamamoto, because he knew he stood no chance in a straight up fight.


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Well at least we know now that Kubo didn't just forget about Wonderweiss.

When he first showed up, I at first thought it was Gin's vizard form lol.


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aizen is such a boring character... hes always "one step ahead"... i like my villains to struggle.


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It is a mystery how he has everything planned out. I mean everything. Even Lelouch in Code Geass had flaws but Aizen knows everything. Maybe Orihime might be the one to kill him.(You got to love the irony of that)

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Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
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aizen is such a boring character... hes always "one step ahead"... i like my villains to struggle.


I don't like it when they do struggle, or monologue excessively.
Gloating and giving chances to defeated opponents is fine by me.


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Wonderweiss being able to neutralize Yamamoto's shikai. Isn't that convinient? What happened to Kensei?(although it wouldn't be hard to guess)


How is that convenient when Aizen indicated that wonderweiss was specifically "created" to counter Yamamoto? That makes sense as Wonderweiss is the only non-Espada he created, is by far the stupidest servant of Aizen, and maybe the strongest arrancar of Aizen's.


Everything points to Wonderweiss being around for something particular...I was just wondering what is was going to be.



I think I remember someone saying, in this thread, a looooong time ago that Wonderweiss was brought around to counter Yamamoto. It might have been Nemebro...but I'm not sure.


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aizen is such a boring character... hes always "one step ahead"... i like my villains to struggle.



Odd. We are opposites. I like my villains to be many steps ahead and to make the good guys look like fools.


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How is that convenient when Aizen indicated that wonderweiss was specifically "created" to counter Yamamoto? That makes sense as Wonderweiss is the only non-Espada he created, is by far the stupidest servant of Aizen, and maybe the strongest arrancar of Aizen's.


Everything points to Wonderweiss being around for something particular...I was just wondering what is was going to be.



I think I remember someone saying, in this thread, a looooong time ago that Wonderweiss was brought around to counter Yamamoto. It might have been Nemebro...but I'm not sure.





Odd. We are opposites. I like my villains to be many steps ahead and to make the good guys look like fools.

Exactly. He also explains why he modified Wonderweiss; because he knows he stood no chance against Yamamoto. I doubt Aizen was lying when he stated that.

Same here.
I also like it when villains are Machiavellian.


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Exactly. He also explains why he modified Wonderweiss; because he knows he stood no chance against Yamamoto. I doubt Aizen was lying when he stated that.


Well, having the Zanpakutou with the highest attack power makes it quite obvious that Aizen would lose. On top of that Yamamoto, potentially, has higher rieryoku levels than Aizen.

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Same here.
I also like it when villains are Machiavellian.


It wouldn't be fun if a villain was just a really really strong idiot. That's lame.


So, you either have the average villain who makes blunders no more than the good guys, but still makes them, or you have the really dumb strong bad guy (cause how else is the dumb bad guy supposed to pose any sort of threat?). I'll go with the cool, calm, and collected, genius of a bad guy: makes for a much more interesting and ejoyable character.


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Unique villains are more interesting. And you can be a genius level intellect - be steps ahead of your opponents - and still make mistakes.

Case and Point someone like Light Yagami.

When you start talking like "either, or" then you are dealing with stories where characters are very cardboard.


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Unique villains are more interesting. And you can be a genius level intellect - be steps ahead of your opponents - and still make mistakes.


Almost always, the villain makes mistakes, even if he's a genius.

Aizen is unique in that....it's all planned for, entirely. He doesn't make mistakes. He thoroughly beats everyone, even those more powerful than he is. That's what makes him "unique" or different from the typical "bad guy". His character makes everyone around him that opposes him feel helpless, because of that, even the guys stronger.


In the examples I used, those are just the "tiers" of the types of bad guys that there are. Of course, each character has their own personality and different shades between those three tiers:

Dumb, average, smart.


Aizen just happens to be really really far on the smart side of the spectrum and, unlike his "bad guy" genius peers, he's not full of mistakes. Has Aizen REALLY made any mistakes?

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Case and Point someone like Light Yagami.

When you start talking like "either, or" then you are dealing with stories where characters are very cardboard.


Indeed.

Yamamoto is the typical "powerful, skilled, wise, stern, and strict old man leader." His character shows up a lot in Japanese martial art films and stories.


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Well, having the Zanpakutou with the highest attack power makes it quite obvious that Aizen would lose. On top of that Yamamoto, potentially, has higher rieryoku levels than Aizen.


Well yes. Aizen has what people view as the most broken shikai, and coupled with his confidence in his abilities, it speaks quite a bit about Yama's strength. That was my point >__>.


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It wouldn't be fun if a villain was just a really really strong idiot. That's lame.


So, you either have the average villain who makes blunders no more than the good guys, but still makes them, or you have the really dumb strong bad guy (cause how else is the dumb bad guy supposed to pose any sort of threat?). I'll go with the cool, calm, and collected, genius of a bad guy: makes for a much more interesting and ejoyable character.


(pardon me if I misunderstood, it just seemed like your 'strong idiot' point was directed at the Machiavellian statement)

If someone is Machiavellian, it doesn't mean that they are an idiot >__>. Just the opposite actually. Have you read Othello? Iago is a shining example of a Machiavellian character.

A strong idiot is hardly useful outside of comedic situations.

We have a number of villain archetypes: mad genii (Light), femme fatales, false heroes (Light again), tyrannical bastards, tragic villains, anti-villains (not so much of a villain though), mindless minions, etc.

It just doesn't fall into those three, very broad "tiers." Though I understand your explanation and it makes sense.


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Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
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aizen is such a boring character... hes always "one step ahead"... i like my villains to struggle.



Aizen wouldn't be Aizen then.

In 99% of movies/shows/books the villian is ahead by at least a bit; it wouldn't be much of a story if the 'Good Guys' knew what the 'Evil Doers' were up to, especially in stories of suspence...

I can see it now...

At Helms Deep

Aragorn: Legolas, get ready in about 3 minutes there is going to be a Uruk running through here with a torch and he's gonna try to blow us up.

Legolas: Yeah that dumbass wizard shouldn't have told us about those mines.


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Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Well yes. Aizen has what people view as the most broken shikai, and coupled with his confidence in his abilities, it speaks quite a bit about Yama's strength. That was my point >__>.




[QUOTE=12538977]Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
[B](pardon me if I misunderstood, it just seemed like your 'strong idiot' point was directed at the Machiavellian statement)


It wasn't. It was addressed to the person I quoted.

And the "strong idiot" stereotype exists in pretty much all fiction.

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If someone is Machiavellian, it doesn't mean that they are an idiot >__>. Just the opposite actually. Have you read Othello? Iago is a shining example of a Machiavellian character.

A strong idiot is hardly useful outside of comedic situations.

We have a number of villain archetypes: mad genii (Light), femme fatales, false heroes (Light again), tyrannical bastards, tragic villains, anti-villains (not so much of a villain though), mindless minions, etc.

It just doesn't fall into those three, very broad "tiers." Though I understand your explanation and it makes sense.


This is not on target with my post.


Strong idiot type: Yami.


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Aizen wouldn't be Aizen then.

In 99% of movies/shows/books the villian is ahead by at least a bit; it wouldn't be much of a story if the 'Good Guys' knew what the 'Evil Doers' were up to, especially in stories of suspence...

I can see it now...

At Helms Deep

Aragorn: Legolas, get ready in about 3 minutes there is going to be a Uruk running through here with a torch and he's gonna try to blow us up.

Legolas: Yeah that dumbass wizard shouldn't have told us about those mines.

Yeah, but this is getting predictable. The last few chapters have just been Aizen easily pwning everyone. What a surprise. Next chapter- more of the same.


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It wasn't. It was addressed to the person I quoted.

And the "strong idiot" stereotype exists in pretty much all fiction.



You quoted my 'Machiavellian' statement.


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