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eleveninches
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Did jesus ever say that he was god??

Or was that just the misinterpretation of his 'followers'.

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Jackie Malfoy
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Good question.No I don't think he did say that he was god.And this follows did.Does anyone know what part of the bible says that jesus says he was god?
If you do please share it.For now I am not sure.JM


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The most that I know he said was that he was the only son of god, but then again doesnt the bible say that we are all god's children?


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quote:
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Good question.No I don't think he did say that he was god.And this follows did.Does anyone know what part of the bible says that jesus says he was god?
If you do please share it.For now I am not sure.JM


The main idea is that he's a member of the trinity; three aspects of God. He is the word. The theory of why he's God revolves around the fact that he occasionally shows aspects of God, like omniscience, omnipotence, or restraint (which is not common is prophets). It is commonly accepted Christian doctrine, but there are no actual words from Jesus, where he says,"I am God" in the Bible.

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Jackie Malfoy
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I see so it is just a known thing to the christians that he is god?If it does not say in the bible then how they do this is true?JM


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Organized religion makes up answeres to fill in the blanks...


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actually...no.

atleast, not my church. For example, Colossians 2:9-10: "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, And you have been made full in Him, who is the Head of all rule and authority".

2:8 is refering to Christ, so we know that when it says "in Him" it is refering to Christ. 2:9 says that God is in Christ, and 2:10 says that Christ is the Head of all rule and Authority. If Christ weren't God, aka if he weren't the son of God and God at the same time, then it wouldn't say "in him dwells" and then refer to Him as the "Head of rule and authority". this is one of many passages that refer to Christ as God, and part of the Godhead.

also, the fact that there are three facets of God in the Father, Son and Spirit, in no way makes Christianity a polytheistic religion. In the beginning of John, it states "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" and "The Word became flesh and tabernacled among us". This statement is one basis for the belief in the Trinity. The Word is seperate from the Creator, and yet is the Creator. Jesus (him who became flesh and tabernacled among us) is the Word, and is God. Not polytheistic, but the entities comprising one being. The Triune God, three in one.


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The early church had a lot of difficulties... the letter of Colossians was written by Paul the apostle (most likely) to the Colosians in order to push his view of who Jesus was. Jesus didnt say anything like that in the Gospels... by saying that Jesus had "in him the all the fullness of Godhead bodily," Paul was saying that Jesus had all the qualities of God in human form (despite never meeting him).

But, see the church instead of saying "Well Jesus said he was the son of God, and Paul thinks that Jesus had 'all the fullness of god in human form'" we have "It says in the Bible, Colossians 2:9 that Jesus had 'in him all the fullness of Godhead bodily', so we can take this to mean that he really was this 'godhead'"

It was something written to fill in the blanks during the early church... no one really knows if Jesus really was as he was described in Colossians, shit even the author of Colossians doesnt know. Paul/Saul, never ever even met Jesus. Paul was writing the letter to answer questions early Christians had to which there were no answers.

Or in other words "filling in blanks with made up answers."


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I can understand that,Thanks!JM


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John 12:45 (Jesus talking)"When he looks at me, he sees the One who sent Me."

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TC> we (read: Christians) believe that the books of the Bible were divinely inspired, so when Paul or John, etc, says something, we believe it came from God. And no, we don't blindly follow whatever we are told.

ska57> thank you. very good verse.


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quote:
Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
Or in other words "filling in blanks with made up answers."


lol u really like saying that wink



JM: "Does anyone know what part of the bible says that jesus says he was god?"

Jesus doesnt say that he is God. If you look in the Bible, every time he prayed to God he said 'My Father.'
As Ytaker said, Jesus is part of the Holy Trinity - or, as many Christians say, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.


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But if the jews believe that god is the father, then it makes sense for them to believe that they are all the children of god

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Biblically speaking... Jesus is not the God. Jesus never decalred that He was Him and God never proclaimed that Jesus and He are one God.

False doctrines flow into the Church and started to believe that Christ is God. ... and these self-proclaimed Christians call themselves Catholics and still this doctrine later adapted by the Protestants.


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quote:
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
I could be wrong through.I really don't have a clue!JM


You should get that put on a tee shirt.


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laughing out loud

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In the "Our Father" prayer the line "The Father, the son, and the holy spirit," can be thought of as three entities, but there is argument for them being of one being. And if you look at it from purely a religious standpoint, in the Christian faith, an argument can be made for both.

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Originally posted by eleveninches
But if the jews believe that god is the father, then it makes sense for them to believe that they are all the children of god


If you really need an answer, I can research it, but frankly that would be boring. I remember that he called God "abba" which is an affectionate term for father (implying a unique relationship). For a Jew to use it would be sacrilege or something similar. There are also no recorded works where a Jew used it.

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Originally posted by Jury
Biblically speaking... Jesus is not the God. Jesus never decalred that He was Him and God never proclaimed that Jesus and He are one God.

False doctrines flow into the Church and started to believe that Christ is God. ... and these self-proclaimed Christians call themselves Catholics and still this doctrine later adapted by the Protestants.


I appeal. The jury was biased by extraordinary stupidity. The idea of a trinity was good enough to be accepted. Just because man invented it, doesn't mean that it's false.

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The idea of the trinity is very nonsense... how could those three different persons/entities be one God? The answer would always resort into "mystery" that no man could ever comprehend.

Duh! The Bible says that the knowledge about God is very clear... because God has made it clear so that no one could ever make an excuse like that.

God said, that a man is a man and not God. He also declared that He wouldn't allow Himself to be both God and man because He would go against His words. He wouldn't allow any man to be God also. Jesus Christ, on the other hand is a man, as proclaimed in the Bible, and never been the God. So Jesus Christ, being man, cannot be God for there is only one God, as what He declared, and that only true God is the Father... meaning Not the Son.. not the Holy Spirit.


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