"Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it."
Jonah 3:10
* in this example, God should perish Nineveh because of their evil works... but God CHANGED His mind and decided to spare them because Nineveh turned from their evil ways... change does not mean there was something wrong in the first decision... example: when you said to your child if she plays outside, you would spank her, she plays outside but when she realized her mistake, she goes to you and asks for forgiveness, you forgive her and did not spank her... did you acted wrongly?
And yet god said to show them NO MERCY, give them NO CHANCE TO REPENT. That's the problem. He told moses to massacre them NO MATTER WHAT THEY DID, and all they were guilty of was idol worship.
* God can read hearts and minds... He knows if they would repent or not... read Genesis 18:20-32 and see how merciful God is, that He would spare Sodom & Gomorrah from destruction if Abraham can only find 10 righteous people there... bargain starts at 50, then it goes down to 10...
God knew there was nobody in those cities worth saving (besides lot and his family). He was just taunting Abraham the whole time. Kind of a mean prank.
Speaking of mean pranks, how about telling Abraham to kill Isaac? That was all kinds of messed up.
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So, refraining from killing all the people in two cities, but then destroying them anyway, is showing mercy? It all makes sense if you keep in mind that the god of the bible is a war god.
* can you imagine how big is the population of Sodom and Gomorrah? and God was willing to forgive them all if Abraham could just find 10 righteous people in it... unfortunately, he got only 3, iirc... you fail to realize the mercy of God, all you see is the negative perspective...
* God had put law into man's heart (Romans 2:15), man knows what's good and evil, so choosing evil means you neglected the law of God in your heart... everyone knows d@mn well that satan would eventually go to hell and suffer so willfully aligning yourself with evil means you don't want to be in heaven...
* all God wants is for people to stop committing sins, repent and do good... ain't that simple? do good and you'll be saved, believe in Christ and you'll be saved... it's simple... rejecting Christ and rejecting to do good means you don't want to be in heaven...
"You shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul."
Deuteronomy 13:3
* it was a test... in the case of Job, Job was already tested, he is perfect in the eyes of God... it was satan who made the "pranks", fyi...
This has nothing to do with saying sodom and gommorah demonstrated gods mercy when nothing of the sort occured. You are trying to change the subject now.
Yeah he was testing them. I already knew that. That is what I already have said. My point is he did many cruel things in the name of testing people. Isaac and Abraham was just applying mental torment on someone he already knew was faithful...
God told Satan it was okay to hurt Job. Why did he do that? To test him? God already knew Job was faithful, so there was no reason at all to put him through all of that.
did you just use an insinuation to Sodom and Gomorrah's large population in an attempt to say God was merciful for killing said, by your own argument, large populations?
What does the word mercy mean to you? no, seriously
* that's absurd... God provides life and He can take it away also... there's nothing appalling about that... what's appalling is that you came from a monkey...
* you have rational thinking, right? doesn't matter whether you believe or not because it's true... unless you want to believe your rational thinking came from monkeys (again)...
* man still knows what is good and what is evil... your statement does not negate that thought...
* does not matter...
* stop this hypocrisy, mr.shakya... you're a buddhist, right? and Buddhism has Deva, Naraka, Asura, Brahma, Suddhavasa, etc... Buddhism should also be a myth to you...
* sin in Christianity... if you don't know Christianity, it does not apply to you...
* a loving God wants all people to be saved...
* there is... hell, eternal fire and suffering... your Buddhism has Naraka, fyi...
* in Christianity, of course the law of God is good... it does not apply to all... non-believers of Christian faith can be included in salvation because the God in Christianity desires all people to be saved...
* God was offering salvation... it was the evil works of people in Sodom and Gomorrah that destroyed them, if you read the story, the people there even want the have sex with the angels... that's how evil they are...
But god KNEW that Abraham couldn't... hence they didn't actually have a chance to be saved. God only offered that because he knew it couldn't actually be "cashed in".
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I don’t need too.
So, might makes right? That makes sense from a war god.
I wish people like you would take a moment of your life and learn evolution. What you just said was incredibly stupid, and you don’t even realize it.
Monkeys are modern animals. Monkeys and Hominids evolved from a Lemur like animal that lived millions of years ago.
Good and evil are not absolutes. There are commonalities that reach across cultural lines, but that is because we are talking about humans. The idea of good and evil falls apart when you try to apply it to other animals.
Is taking a human life good or evil?
It makes all the difference.
Buddhism does have mythology. As a matter of fact, Buddhism has a rich and diverse mythology. However, mythology is symbolic, and is used to tell stories that help convey Buddhist concepts.
I understand Christianity.
A god that wants is a god that needs, and a good that needs is not a god at all. A god that wants and needs is what we call a demigod.
And where is this mythical hell?
Again there is nothing to be saved from. Adam and Eve and the original sin are mythology. They tell an important story, but to take them literally is to not get the point.
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