Obviously this doesn't apply to every human. Not every human can procreate.
You were saying it like them being angels made it especially evil. The angels were beautiful so it is not surprising the people had lust for them. You make it sound like they should have somehow known they were angels and laid off because of it.
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Of course you have to assume that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in the bible is real.
I say a program on the history channel that was about two city ruins that were recently uncovered. They think these could have been Sodom and Gomorrah, but they were destroyed by an army.
* then why comment on that? it just makes you a hater...
* don't question the authority of the Creator... unless you're an a$$hole... or if you don't acknowledge Him as your Creator, why talk about Him? makes no sense to you anyway...
* what you said makes you really an idiot... animals do not have rational thinking like humans do... of course they have feelings, instincts, etc., but not rational thinking like humans... claiming humans came from animals is stupid... trying to study evolution is more stupid...
* which means, humans never came from animals...
* humans taking another human life is evil... it never applies to the Creator... suppose you created dolls, is destroying them make you wrong?
* that makes you very biased... and a hypocrite...
* you just think you understand Christianity...
* demigods never exists in Christianity... the God in the Bible has wants but no needs...
* not yet, it would be after the judgment day...
* original sin is really a myth and it is unBiblical... humans commit sin individually, not inherited...
No, because if they couldn't procreate then they wouldn't have children in the first place. That statement is accurate for parents that have children (the whole point of the analogy). You are picking on some weird little technicality that had nothing to do with the actual point I was making.
They wanted to have sex them, this has nothing to do with them being angels.
BTW you were disturbed by them wanting the angels but not at all at lot offering his daughters as a replacement? That is just as bad, probably worse. Since the angels at least could protect themselves.
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Is what I have to say so effective that you need to silence me?
Just because I don’t need to read something in the bible to understand your point does not mean I’m a hater.
My creator was my mother and father.
You just said:
In other words, god can take life because he is god. That is the same thing as might makes right. Also, I have already shown that the god of the OT was a war god.
Humans are animals.
So, what you are saying is that a person who cannot think rationally, like a mentally handicapped person, is an animal and not human?
If a Chimpanzee is an animal and we are not, then why do we share 98% of our DNA in common with Chimpanzees?
What? The Christian idea of good and evil also falls apart when you apply it to all humans. Just think about the differences between Christianity and Islam, and how good and evil is applied in those cultures.
If the dolls I made were alive, then yes it would be evil of me to kill them.
Just because I have the wisdom to realize that mythology is not literal, but symbolic, does not make me a hypocrite. You are making no sense at all.
I spent the first 20 some years of my life as a Christian. I think that gives me some insight.
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But back in those days a daughter was considered to be property. Women simply didn't have any rights. It seems that their god had a problem homosexuality, but said nothing about the plight of women.
Yeah but if he's going to apply modern cultural sensibilities to one part he should have to apply it to all parts of the story. Or else I could just say from the sodom culture what they were doing was correct and end the discussion.
* i was surprised you didn't know why... considering you are on the negative side... the reason was God wants to prove to satan how righteous Job was, that even if he lose all his possessions, even his own health, Job will not leave his faith in God...
* it's really funny how you - who is not in the shoes of Job, did not experience what he experienced - are whining like you are the one who was persecuted... well, that's alright because since Job was already proven to be faithful and upright, all he had to say because of his faith is this:
"And he said: Naked I came from my mother's womb, And naked shall I return there. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away;
Blessed be the name of the Lord.
But he said to her, You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity? In all this Job did not sin with his lips."
Job 1:21, 2:10
* if you are experiencing happiness in life, do you remember God? but when you experience tragedy, you blame it all at Him... pretty biased...
So now you have changed your excuse to God allowing the torture of someone in order to win a bet... you are digging yourself deeper and deeper with each new explanation.
What bizarre logic is this supposed to be? I did not experience a nazi concentration camp either, but I can say without fear of contradiction that it was a horrifying experience. In this case I do not need to speculate on the horrors Job went through since the bible tells us exactly what god allowed to happen to him.
Likewise, you could use this sort of logic to say parents have the right to kill their children... if your creation is alive then it is murder to destroy them plain and simple.
This is complete gibberish aimed at creating a perception of hypocrisy where none exists. I do not believe in god and so it is impossible that I should attribute anything to him, whether good or bad. So no, I do not "remember god" in happiness, and when I am in tragedy I do not blame it on him... for I do not believe he exists. This is an absolutely false accusation based on nothing but lies. It is a classic strawman argument.
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Remember, many Christians can't understand what it means to not believe in god. To them, you worship god or satan. The idea that you do not worship at all, is outside their world. They think you have rejected god, but you have to first believe in a god to reject that god.
You reject the idea of a god (is that correct?), and that is something outside of their ability to understand.
This fellow seems to have above-average stupidity for christians on this forum as for pages and pages he has misinterpreted everything we have said without fail... or he is a wonderful troll.
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He is not stupid. That is were you are failing. He refuses to see the option of "no god". He has danced the jig that he has too. That is why his beliefs are a delusion. He refuses to see your point because he has too much to loose. He is the one in the cage.
Now, I know that looks stupid to you, but there is a difference between stupidity and delusion.
There is certainly a degree of willful ignorance in play here. Especially when leonheartmm said there were "contradictions in the bible" and he tried to pretend the difference was in the words coming from satan versus those from god, when it was clear leo was talking about the text itself and not the dialogue between characters.
* that's not my point... people tend to forget God when they are living luxuriously... but when tragedy came, they go and blame it all on God...
* suffering does not mean it's eternal... ever heard of rags to riches?
* it's pretty obvious how you twist the conversation... it is not my excuse but it is what was written in the book of Job... i quoted you saying why would God test Job if He already knew Job was faithful... and i just answered your question according to what was written in the book of Job (Job 1:8-12)...
* the Bible also tells you how good Job is and how he remains faithful to God... what's funny is that you did not see it in Job's perspective, but in your own twisted way...
* it is you who would use that twisted logic because you don't believe in God... you only believe that parents create their children, not created by God... humans procreate, but do not create... my argument still stands that if humans can create, then there should be no barren/sterile/impotent people in the world...
* then arguing with someone who believes in God makes you a complete nutcase... there should be no point of argument... i'm continuing this conversation to defend the Bible which i believe... however, you don't, you bash the Bible and when you're grasping ropes, you pull the string -> "hey, i do not believe in God!"-tagline to clear yourself from the mess you've made... now, that's trolling...
* i misinterpreted? no, i completely understand where you're coming from... you're a Bible-basher but in the end, you're just a person with minimal knowledge in the Bible, picking on certain plots in it to make yourself look like an intelligent debater... you say hypocrisy? tell it to your face, man... your "i'll-be-athiest-coz-i-feel-smart-that-way" attitude does not pave way to any argument, really...
* thank you...
* no... the reason why i was arguing about this matter is because i'm defending the Bible from a basher... quite simply put, the topic is about his atheism, i would rather shut the heck up because there's no point of argument...
* believing in God does not mean you're in a cage... it's a matter of choosing what you believe... this may sound off-balance but the truth is, as a person, i respect all your opinions... but bash my belief, i will defend it... that does not mean i'm living in a world of delusion... and there's a big difference between believing there's no God and refusing to believe there's God...
* pretty biased again... something that looks stupid to someone does not mean it's wrong... it's kinda hard to explain but i know you get my point...
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You are correct, that is typical of Christians and other religions that have a deity. People like to deflect blame away from them selves. That is why Buddhism teaches you to take responsibility for all things in your life.
I was only talking of the moment. Suffering is not eternal.
You are welcome.
I think the bible is big enough to take a little bashing. If your beliefs are strong, and they are based upon solid evidence, then you do not have to defend them.
So in other words King Kandy is "refusing to believe there's God"?
I love how you start out by saying that I am wrong, and then go and prove that I am right.
I don’t think you got my point. People need to be less dismissive and more thoughtful when judging the actions of other people.
Fortunately this does not apply to any person in the whole of this thread, as atheists do not believe in god no matter what the circumstance. An atheist who blaims god for tragedy is not an atheist at all.
They got that way because things changed for the better. If they'd changed for the worse then it would be rags to coffin.
So you admit that it was done as a bet with satan... allowing the torture of a helpless person for the purpose of a bet is not moral at all. The bible teaches that horrible things like this are moral.
All this tells you is that being good means nothing... good or bad, god will subject you to awful torture whenever he feels like it, whenever he falls into a meaningless bet that he knew the answer to. What did god have to prove to satan? If he had just told him to go away that would be a wonderful example of his morals but instead he makes the world his personal torture chamber.
Sterile people have no children, so obviously parents killing their children does not apply there either. But it is known that the creation of life is by the sperm and egg cells from the uniting of men and women... this is a proven fact to the production of humanity, at no point is there any stage that is not proven to come from the parents.
No, trolling would be suddenly telling someone who didn't believe in god that he blamed god for his misfortunes when you knew that to be false... oh wait you are the one who did that not me. So I suppose you are the real troll here. You told me I believed in god in hardship and I told you that that was a complete lie... suddenly I am grasping at straws when I correct your false allegations about me... It is interesting that there is only one outright lie in this thread and you are the one that told it when god commands you not to lie.
I have minimal knowledge of the bible how? I have testified that God allowed the torture of Job at satans behest and you ultimately confirmed that to be true... so in terms of biblical knowledge I have actually been 100% right about every thing I have claimed in this thread.
And I suppose it is your wish to cancel the argument, that's why you have spent far, far more posts in this thread than I have. You argued for pages before I even showed up and only recently have I entered the discussion, so it is a complete falsehood to say I am the one who initiated the discussion.
There is a difference but there is nobody in this thread who would refuse to believe in god if he were proven to exist... even you admit that you cannot prove god exists and so in no way have I refused to believe... I do not believe because I see no reason why I should.
Yes, on the other hand something that IS stupid is wrong. For instance you telling me I believed in god when bad things happened... you could not find a more clear falsehood in the whole of the thread.
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