I know why he wasn't speaking. Anarchronists were messing with his personality and that's why he was different every time he became hulk. You're in delusion if you think you're the only one who's reading the scans.
He isn't. This is a dumb, mute hulk. Savage was a child like hulk who wasn't mute.
Because travel speed=/=combat speed. If surfer had tracked a teleportation beam across the solar system and searched the whole earth to find in one minute, I would say he is faster than hulk too.
Reading those book does not equate to combat speed. Those books were not moving at high speed, superman did not have to catch those books or overcome any speed to read them. Those books were not moving at all. When shockwaves came at superman at light speed, he could not avoid them nor perceive them. Fighting and reading are not the same. not even close.
You still have to get to the book and flip pages and this still doesn't include the mental processing power to read and understand at Superspeed. Can you turn a page in book faster than throwing a punch?
Now read the entire page and its not a picture book, its a medical book. Read the entire page with comprehension. Can you still punch faster than that? If Superman can get to and read every medical book in a matter of minutes how many punches can he throw instead?
You are again lying and trying to lowball superman. Again this isn't post crisis superman who was massively weakened by a sun eater's red sun attacks in the instance you are talking about.
But he is talking, that's what you are missing. That's why I asked...if I post a scan of him talking, especially saying "HULK SMASH", will you concede? I downloaded an issue today with him saying this...Indestructible Hulk #9 (or 10, can't remember off hand).
Show me the scan where he searched the world. Again, travel speed isn't combat speed. If you are giving this to one person, then you need to share the wealth.
I think one of the main problems I have with the whole "reading fast" is the fact that it is a rather unquantifiable "feat". I mean, we don't even know how many books he read, was there a mention about how big the library was? How'd he even KNOW that he read "every medical text ever written"? Was he silly enough to waste time and go ahead to read detailed papers about genetic disorders, psychology, dental, STDs and cancers and other unrelated medical fields while Lane lay dying on the operating table just so he can CLAIM to have read every medical text ever written? Or for that matter, what powers did he use in conjunction with each other in order to achieve what he did other than speed. Fast fingers, special vision powers plus eidetic super-memory would probably be the safest bet. But exactly HOW FAST was he here? Again, unquantifiable and not really sure how it'd apply to a combat situation as we haven't seen him implement these combination of abilities at this level in combat.
We KNOW Superman is fast, I don't think anyone here contends with that fact.
Quantifying the "feat" is the problem here and the fact that these abilities have to be shown in combat at the level they've been demonstrated in order for them to be valid evidence kinda puts a damper on the whole line of logic.
I don't think Superman is slow at all and yes, that is a super speed showing but should it apply as a combat showing against an opponent that is trying to knock you out? No. Give me a book and I could read through it at a fair pace but when it comes to me tagging Bruce Lee, it ain't happening. Its not a combat showing. Don't get what's so difficult about providing a combat showing for Superman. The guy has been out longer than Hulks indestructible title but you all can't provide a single showing of combat minus him reading some books. WTF.
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It should. But does it? Has Superman ever been written using such speeds/abilties before? Aren't abilities supposed to be demonstrated in-combat before we start applying them to combat threads?
Let's take Surfer for example. The guy has shown: phasing, shrinking and black hole creation within bodies out-of-combat. While ALL these abilities individually or in combination can be quite devastating in a fight, it has been determined via consensus here that they can't be used in fights because he's never really used them in combat.
And how exactly would we be able to even quantify that "feat"? What means do we have as a way of measuring what was happening here? As what I said above, too many variables are absent to make any kind of conclusive determination.
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