Bah. It's easier than writing out whole sentences.
I said their reasoning was not incorrect. Not their opinion.
It's designed for conservative Christians who believe that the homosexual lifestyle is wrong--so for Nellinator.
I believe in them. I just feel they are misguided in their beliefs--though I'm sure they'd say the same about me, only with more terms like "intolerance" and "hate"--though some of them...get under my skin more than others.
__________________ Ask me about my "obvious and unpleasant agenda of hatred."
Wouldn't we all like to take the easier, less chosen path?
You'll forgive me if i don't recognize the difference between the two
Thank you for the non-answer
I "believe in them....but they are misguided" So who is guiding them? Your version of GOD or theirs? As in, the version of GOD that really rules reality? Is it your GOD feceman, or theirs? Is Nellinator and JIA and Marchello correct, or are you? And even more important, are you willing to defend you position ? A position that places you in direct opposition to them? "Them" being people you agree with on one hand, but condemn on the other."?
__________________ "If I were you"
"If you were me, you'd know the safest place to hide...is in sanity!
That seems like a fairly straightforward answer to me.
They are merely deceived by the god of this world.
My God.
My opinions are correct--though, of course, anyone with an opinion will insist on that.
I am.
Stop with your use of the word "condemn." Your use of it is entirely indicative of an attempt to mischaracterize the opinions of others.
You said that I only thought Christians are good. I think that no one is good.
God justifies it in the same way that He justifies it to Job--"Where were you when I created the universe and its entirety? Who are you to question the wisdom that ordained the sun to rule the day and the moon to keep the night?"
God: "Ask, and you will have eternal life.."
Man: "**** you. Ima go worship Baal."
It is, theoretically, something that could very well happen and continue to happen. Though, you messed up God's part.
God: "Hmmm. Says here you were a life long criminal known for committing fraud and scams that ruined many people and caused a lot of suffering. But then you found out you had terminal cancer and repented on your death bed. So yes, you're in.
Even though there are plenty of atheists and members of other religions who have done good things all their lives and expected nothing from me, I can't consider them for the position. Why?
Because every man has fallen short of My glory--no matter how many good deeds he has done, he is not worthy. I have given salvation freely, salvation that has made you worthy of My glory. It cannot be earned, it cannot be bought, but it can--and will--be given upon request. Anyone, no matter his sins, will be forgiven and accepted by Me."
__________________ Ask me about my "obvious and unpleasant agenda of hatred."
You apparently are misinterpreting what I am saying. After all, it is only as of late I have been able to state with all confidence that the homosexual lifestyle is not a sin.
__________________ Ask me about my "obvious and unpleasant agenda of hatred."
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God, for GOD IS LOVE." 1John 4:8-9
Let's set the record straight. Christianity teaches that God loves everyone. The statement, "God hates ****" is a lie. The famous verse, John 3:16, which could be considered the cornerstone of our faith, starts off "For God so loved the world.. ." Said by Jesus
But, the Bible also teaches that God hates sin. And the act of homosexuality is considered to be a sin in the Old Testament as well as the New (see 1 Cor. 6:9 or Rom. 1:26-27). .......Said by heretic Paul...
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"Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
I Corinthians 6:9-10
* read between the lines, my friend... the issue is not the person but the ACT itself... and to prove that the issue of this verse is the act and NOT the person, once that person leaves this act, what will happen? let us continue...
"And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God."
I Corinthians 6:11
* they were washed, sanctified and justified... in other words, they are worthy of salvation...
"For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due."
Romans 1:26-27
* this verse also tells us that the issue is the act, NOT the person itself... being a homosexual is NOT a sin, but homosexual acts are...
"This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
Who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."
I Timothy 2:3-4
* homosexuals are also human beings, and God desires all human beings to be saved... the Bible did NOT exclude homosexuals...
Of course, she will now accuse of being a member of Paulianity and tell you how he is a heretic and so and so forth. Her usual troll and baseless accusations against Paul will follow and claims of contradictions, eventually leading to her saying that Hell does not exist and that it was copied from other religions. Of course, she will never use the Bible to prove that Sheol is not use the Bible to disprove the concept of hell because we have already showed her how it supports the concept entirely. But that's how it is.
* the statement, "God is love", does not mean that God does not know how to get angry, sad or hate or anything similar to that...
* God is wiser than what you think He is, my friend... sin is the downfall of humans but is can also be a ticket to salvation...
"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation; for when he hath been approved, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to them that love him."
James 1:12
* endure temptations and you will receive the crown of life...
"For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
Matthew 6:14-15
* learn to forgive and you will be forgiven...
"Even as David also pronounceth blessing upon the man, unto whom God reckoneth righteousness apart from works,
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, And whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom, the Lord will not reckon sin."
Romans 4:6-8
* yes, and i will try to correct that notion... Saint Paul is arguably the greatest apostle of Christ... he was bestowed great wisdom by God that even the pillars (Saint Peter, Saint John and Saint James) gave him (with Saint Barnabas) the right hands of fellowship... and even Saint Peter himself admitted that Saint Paul's epistles are very hard to be understood because of the vast knowledge given to him by God...
Sin, in it's literal definition, originally meant "to miss the mark," as in archery, not go to a imaginary hell.. A better definition would be to say "stray from the path." One would have little trouble in finding a completely different definition in the modern world, however, for the word "sin <--(look I used red) ." It is not being all what we are capable of being.
I would venture to say that the multitude today would define "sin" as being "an offense to God." Some would even argue that it's an action that directly damns you to Hell. Sin has been given an enormous amount of attention in most religious practices, and it is the deciding factor in deciding the "goodness" of others. Needless to say, it is definitely not the same word as the original meaning would suggest.
However, the biggest problem for "sin" in the modern world has not come from its definition, but it's come from what is considered a sin. The problems always arise when the subject of sinful nature comes about. How do you tell what a sin is? Or better, how can you tell what will "stray one from their path?" Even if you don't look at it as a hellworthy offense (which, by the way, I do not), you can still put some value towards sin as being something that can block one's path to god if you want to put it that way.
So - who decides - and how - what a sin is?
The answer, as always, seems more pragmatic than one might assume.
It seems to me that a sin is anything that can pose negativity on one's self or someone else. This could mean different things to different people. Original sin, for those who don’t know about it, is the theological concept of an original transgression against God by Man at the time of the Fall, which constitutes an inheritance of sinfulness for all subsequent generations of humanity. This view was first proposed by the Christian theologian Augustine of Hippo in the 4th or 5th Century, Not Jesus,who, sufficed to say, didn’t think highly of humanity, and, effectively, considered us all condemned to Hell if we didn’t undergo baptism (which ritually “washed” away our sins).
As for hell, I've already pointed out numerous times that itis not a real place, but invented by the Roman Catholic church. Heaven is more inlightenment and being one with the way god would be..ie goodness. As for where we all go when we die? We all go back to where we came from, just as scripture says...OH, and.....Paul is a heretic, yes..
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* how about... the word of God in the Bible? the Christians in the Bible?
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
I John 3:4
* sin, according to Saint John in the Bible, is the transgression of the law of God...
* it is a place, it is real, and it was said by Christ in the Bible...
"But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, You fool! shall be liable to the hell of fire."
Matthew 5:22
* it was not invented by the Catholics... however, before Pope John Paul II died, he denied the existence of heaven and hell... quite funny, denying something written in the Bible, whilst accepting something not written like the purgatory...
* heaven is a place where God and Christ promised for those who will be saved...
"In hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised before times eternal;"
Titus 1:2
"In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?
And when I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also."
John 14:2-3
* just as the Scripture says? yet you don't believe the existence of heaven and hell just as the Scripture says? you've got double-standards, my friend...
* nope, he is not...
"And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
Speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures."
II Peter 3:15-16
* ignorant and unstable persons twist the Scriptures as well as Saint Paul's epistles... Saint Paul is a great apostle bestowed with the wisdom of God...
I remember the day I first read that scripture from Peter. It confirmed many things for me, especially that Paul was an authority of theological matters.
However, as for Paul, I have recently decided that his epistles are not relevant for my use when telling non-believers of Christ. Paul wrote for Christians who could understand what he was saying. Non-believers will not, as is acknowledged, and therefore, is not as important as the gospels for teaching about Jesus.
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