Shame you couldn't have started being respectful without all the fun and games.
Guess something can come from calling someone out.
Again, we disagree. I studied all of this as an atheist before God introduced Himself to me. All of my studies were done with an open mind looking for proof and truth. If your truth is found in Mormonism then I am happy for you since you have peace of mind and truth in your heart, which is something a lot never will. I never intended to argue with my original post and now that I have typed this I don't see where I have anything left to offer this thread because as I previously stated" It is what you choose to believe".
Re: Anyone else here LDS(mormon)/ want to talk about this?
I personally believe that mormonism is a cult. I am a Christian. Early followers of Christ were known as Christians. Period. I don't claim to be any part of a religion because religion is man made. We should all be standing together for the same purpose Christ. The book of mormon was inspred by satan not God. The Bible says even if an angel comes to you and says anything do not follow. Remember Satan was a fallen angel. Just like we know the word of God so does satan. All he did was create chaos and confusion amongst believers. The devil has come to kill steal and destroy. He has done just that. We are so focused on what religion is real that we forget what we're standing for. However, if you study for yourself like I did(mormonism, muslim, jehovah's, etc.) you will find that it doesn't fit with God's will. Most of read the same Bible but we get what we want and leaders teach what they want you to know in order to manipulate people. We are the body of Christ. The Bible says do not add to or take away from my word. We are supposed to studt and meditate on God's Word to show ourselves approve. Trust no man for they shall come as wolves dressed in sheeps clothing looking to devour. Go is the same today, yesterday, and forever more. Do your homework. To get caught with your pants down. Be ye ready for you do not know when that time may come. Look at the rules each RELIGION has. Are they man made or God made. By the wat your book of mormon says that black people are cursed with the color of their skin. Do you believe that?
Re: Anyone else here LDS(mormon)/ want to talk about this?
Who gives the church to excommunicate anyone from being a beleiver. If that is the case everyone in the mormon religion shoud be excommunicated bacause there is not one perfect person. What kind of leader dismisses the ignorance of their believers. We are not supposed to turn our back o other believers because they have done wrong. We are supposed to show each other the same grace and mercy God has shown us. We are also supposed to correct!!! Just as we correct our children. God doesn't tell excommunicate people He tells us to ask for forgiveness and turn form our sins. I guess we are all hell bound based on the mormon practice of excommunicating peole. By the wat there is only one heaven and one hell. Read the Bible not the book of mormon. Get educated please.
Re: Re: Anyone else here LDS(mormon)/ want to talk about this?
Compare Book of Mormon and Bible: both have very racist passages, neither label racism as sin. Somehow you came to the conclusion that the Book of Mormon was inspired by the devil and the Bible was inspired by God.
Maybe you're a racist....
Re: Re: Anyone else here LDS(mormon)/ want to talk about this?
Oh. My bad. I didn't know we didn't have both the God given and legal given rights to excommunicate unruly members.
And when someone is excommunicated, it is almost always because a person is not repentant about serious sin or they have done something very much illegal...like rape children. Here's an example: One does not get excommunicated for getting an abortion; one DOES get excommunicated for getting an abortion when there were many other avenues (and it wasn't medically necessary) and they are unrepentant for it. You know...they disagree with the LDS church. Why would they want to stay in a church like anyway?
And if you read your bible, you would find quite crappy things going on.
Tell ya what. You can have all of the members we excommunicate.
And....why did you respond to a person who has been inactive for ages? Was it to get a response from other LDS peeps like myself or Quark?
Re: Re: Re: Anyone else here LDS(mormon)/ want to talk about this?
lmao.
u know, you cud use the same tactic against god "hey you! lookie here! heres a bible, heres a quran, heres a tanakh and heres a veda, they all have racist and evil passages, just like the bible. yet you say that the former was inspired by GOD and the later were inspired by the devil. maybe YOURE THE DEVIL!"
"The 14 million members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are spread across 160 countries on 6 continents. Yet there is a remarkable consistency in beliefs, attitudes, teachings and practices among Mormons everywhere. A traveler visiting congregations throughout the world will find familiar curricula materials, beliefs, and attitudes on most every religious topic.
Yet Mormonism is not dogmatic. There is no creed or statement of core beliefs which adherents are obliged to accept. Both members and leaders alike hold varying opinions ranging from whether watching TV on Sunday is sinful, to whether every statement by a General Authority must be explicitly and unconditionally obeyed.
Such questions may be insignificant or disquieting. If a person is struggling with faith issues, it may become important to distinguish between Official Doctrine and less authoritative council. A clear understanding of Official Doctrine can reduce controversy, minimize anxiety and perhaps open up new options for resolving faith issues. This essay attempts to evaluate the authoritativeness of council ranging from canonized scripture to conventional wisdom. "
"One of the best-kept secrets in Mormondom is “What is Official Doctrine, and how is it established.” Church leaders seldom discuss the process, because Official Doctrine is rarely introduced. Yet Church history reveals a clearly established procedure that has been carefully followed for over 180 years. D&C 28:13 explains “all things must be done in order, and by common consent in the church, by the prayer of faith." Since the Church was founded in 1830, new doctrine has been accepted six times. On every occasion, a three-step process was followed to add Official Doctrine: It requires the approval of the First Presidency, the concurrence of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles, and then it must be accepted in a sustaining vote of the entire membership.
Only then is it binding on the membership of the Church. The change will then be made to the body of accepted (canonized) scriptures. Those occasions are:
1830, Bible and Book of Mormon were officially accepted with the organization of the Church
1835, Doctrine and Covenants, first 103 sections were officially accepted
1880, Doctrine and Covenants additional 32 sections were accepted along with the Pearl of Great Price
1890, Polygamy was repealed (Official Declaration, p. 291)
1976, D&C sections 137 & 138 were officially accepted
1978, The priesthood was made available to all worthy males regardless of race (Official Declaration 2, p. 292)
Also, in 1921 the Church removed the Lectures on Faith from the Doctrine and Covenants, with the explanation that they were never presented to the Church as being divinely revealed scripture. As lectures and lessons, it was determined that they simply did not measure up to standard of Official Doctrine."
I would say this author forgot about the Proclamation to the World, but other than that, it establishes what is really considered "official church doctrine". Mormons are not nearly as dogmatic as, say, Sunni Muslims or the Roman Catholic Church. Even things like the Word of Wisdom are ambiguously enforced (why? because science should be followed for best health and then the individual should prayerfully decide what the best course of action should be).
So is it safe to say that Mormons by and large do abide by, uphold, believe, or keep the teachings, beliefs, or messages found in The Doctrines and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price,
but not in the teachings of Joseph Smith, the Journal of Discourses, and the History of the Church?
Pardon the expression but you're a Mormon so I wanted to hear it as it were from the horses mouth because I have other questions or statements to make in connection with this.
That "myth" comes from Mormon Myth that was never official doctrine. Some thought that black people were "fence sitters" during the events that caused a third of the hosts of heaven to be cast out with Lucifer. Some used the "Mark of Cain" which was thought to be Sub-Saharan African appearance. My personal opinion is it was a mixture of racism and myth that perpetuated the idea that black people should not hold the priesthood.
On a more positive note, Mormons were among the first "white dominant" church to openly proselytize and baptize black people into their congregations. It was part of the reason there was so much controversy surrounding their presence in Missouri: it threatened to throw off the balance of the Missouri compromise. Joseph Smith eventually was persuaded/convinced to such a point of pro-black mind that he said reading about "bonded" men and their hardships made his blood boil. He put in for president and part of his platform was the abolishment of slavery by 1850.
The reason that I ask you is because you are a practicing Mormon. What you post on KMC reveals what you believe. I don't know any practicing Mormons in real life or on the internet.
I have no agenda. In order for me to open your eyes as it were it would be helpful for me to know what you believe so that you can ask yourself does this agree with the Word of God i.e. the Bible.
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Mar 3rd, 2009 11:38 AM
I am far from dumb. Not sure why you think that would work. But, if you are not sure, you would not ask KMC, you would use Google. 
